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Army Considers Bringing Battle Rifles Back To War
Bearing Arms ^ | 5 Apr, 2017 | Bob Owens

Posted on 04/06/2017 10:06:27 PM PDT by MtnClimber

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To: archy

Thanks or an informative post.

This thread reminds me that I need to educate myself on how to sight/use the sights on the M1 rifle this summer.

FReegards, archy!


101 posted on 04/09/2017 1:20:31 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Chainmail; Travis McGee
It's been 50 year and I'm still angry.

From the beginning we were sent by MacNamara and the others with the exact intention that we would not be permitted to win, only to remain in a constant state of war, for more than ten years. It took me- and several others- quite a while to figure out what to do about it, but we eventually did.

Maybe someday there'll be a novel.

102 posted on 04/09/2017 1:37:04 PM PDT by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, and eat you.)
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To: archy

When we did ADR’s (ammunition destruct requests) of bad ordnance that included small arms munitions.... we’d burn anything below 20mm .

But seeing how we had to babysit the process till said burn quit cooking off rounds we decided to take our AR’s be they M16/XM-177/GAU5/5AA/M4 etcetera and try to make em fail as fast as we could drop em in the dirt, clear, load and fire repeatedly till we tired of that range game. Minimum of 3-4 thousand rounds semi-auto in an afternoon.

Resulting rule / SOP was simple, clean the firearm first and never again that day, oil the shiny wear marks as needed and nothing else. As well always carry a complete oiled spare BCG. Metal fatigue versus dirt seemed a more likely stoppage. Albeit a rare event .

The rule has served me well to this day.... AR design has been refined with really good coatings on moving parts, better manufacturing quality control and lessons learned / shared .......


103 posted on 04/09/2017 2:01:12 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: MileHi
This thread reminds me that I need to educate myself on how to sight/use the sights on the M1 rifle this summer.

M1 Garand news.

You'll want a copy of FM 23-71, and then start *here.*

If there's an Appleseed Shoot anywhere near you, give that a try, though I've been to a few where no knowledgeable Garand shooting coaches were available. Alternately, there's always the Small Arms Firing School at Camp Perry in August.

And I think my local rifle range in Wyoming is going to be having a Garand clinic in late Summer or early Fall. Will advise you if that's not too far out of the neighborhood for you. Happily, there's a wealth of Garand shooting info out there, and most of it is good.

104 posted on 04/09/2017 2:10:15 PM PDT by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, and eat you.)
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To: Squantos
As well always carry a complete oiled spare BCG. Metal fatigue versus dirt seemed a more likely stoppage. Albeit a rare event.

I usually carry a couple of the spare *cotter pin* type keepers for the firing pin, more likely to be lost while cleaning inn the dark than to break. And the Taiwanese T91 has one that's captive, a nice touch. I may build my next 16" M4 with one of their uppers. An extra bolt cam pin is a good idea, I've seen them gall and wear, and I've seen them shear off. Sight parts, A selector detent and spring, and a spare pistol grip screw are all good moves, as is an extra set of gas rings for the bolt. I don't usually need them, but sometimes when someone sees me cleaning my shooter and follows suit, they're surprised to find one or two of theirs broken or chipped at the gap. If three get that way, they have a straight-pull bolt rifle.I file or grind a bevel on the sharp edge of the cleaning rod patch tip, too; those things tear up more rifling than you might think.

We had a water-cooled barrel and gas tube on an early prototype M16A2 at Crane around mid-1980. Mr. Maxim and Mr. Vickers would have been impressed; I was not. It was run off a test fixture, not from the shoulder, and used the open-bolt setup from a firing port weapon.

If I'm around tanks with an M4, I like to have an extra buffer tube and spring. They sometimes like to get bent around 90 degrees or so.

105 posted on 04/09/2017 2:49:48 PM PDT by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, and eat you.)
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To: archy

Regular cancer treatment for my sweetheart precludes any road trips for the rest of this year. I do have a pretty good impromptu range set up in the national forest close by. When the weather warms up (winter stays long up here) I can mess with it some. Ammo is a thing too, but I have an adjustable gas plug I need to experiment with. Springfield told me factory 150 is ok to use (mine is a last run factory rifle), but op rods are expensive so I want to be conservative about that. As is, it is on with surp ammo at 100. I know it would be good a lot further if I learn how to dial up the sight.

Fun stuff!


106 posted on 04/09/2017 4:17:54 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: archy

From the beginning we were sent by MacNamara and the others with the exact intention that we would not be permitted to win, only to remain in a constant state of war, for more than ten years. It took me- and several others- quite a while to figure out what to do about it, but we eventually did.

Maybe someday there’ll be a novel.


Please, please write the novel or publish under a pen name. You have baited a hook, and I have swallowed it. I really want to know about the solution you have suggested.


107 posted on 04/09/2017 4:42:41 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: archy

Time sensitive recovery is my reasoning .... what was it in the dark don’t work, bolt carrier group out, new one in.


108 posted on 04/09/2017 5:54:12 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: marktwain
Please, please write the novel or publish under a pen name. You have baited a hook, and I have swallowed it. I really want to know about the solution you have suggested.

You'll need to do a little homework first. An obscure memoir, a technical treatise, a little biography no more painful than Wikipedia entries.

As a newspaperman, I'm used to writing narrative descriptions and explanations. What I'm rotten at is dialogue. There is a workaround or two for that, but not for this particular tale.

The other homework is to be found in the constitution, the one to which we swore our oaths which we have kept for all our lives since shortly after we were out of high school.

Constitution for the United States,Article III,Section 3:,

[Section 3 defines treason and its punishment.]

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

109 posted on 04/09/2017 9:03:44 PM PDT by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, and eat you.)
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