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Why Repeal and Replace? Why Not An Alternative Plan?
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Posted on 03/29/2017 11:45:51 AM PDT by ExpatCanuck

Why repeal and replace? Why not just create a new alternate plan and allow people to enroll in one or the other? Obama care will collapse under its own weight quickly. Let that be its legacy. No tweaking, or changes, just leave it as is and let it die on the vine. Changing it piece meal gives the opponents opportunity to perpetually blame every future problem with it on the changes the Republicans made. Create a new plan that achieves the goals, leave the old one for anyone stupid enough to want it.


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1 posted on 03/29/2017 11:45:51 AM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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To: ExpatCanuck

The alternative plan is called freedom. It’s none of the federal government’s business.


2 posted on 03/29/2017 11:47:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: ExpatCanuck

Because Obama requires everyone to be enrolled in a plan with certain required specific benefits. To the extent you created an alternative you be repealing at least certain aspects of Obamacare.


3 posted on 03/29/2017 11:49:08 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Jim Robinson

Make it a free market alternative.


4 posted on 03/29/2017 11:50:03 AM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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To: ExpatCanuck

Full repeal of Obamacare and then next remove any and all federal roadblocks to free enterprise solutions is the only constitutional way!


5 posted on 03/29/2017 11:51:06 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: ExpatCanuck

Yes, of course, but the feds have no say in the matter. They cannot constitutionally enact any kind of plan at all.


6 posted on 03/29/2017 11:53:00 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: circlecity
Because Obama requires everyone to be enrolled in a plan with certain required specific benefits.

Remove the mandate requiring mandatory enrollment in Obamacare, change nothing else in Obamacare and let the market decide. Subsidies to those getting them will be meaningless if all providers eventually opt out of Obamacare.

7 posted on 03/29/2017 11:53:16 AM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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Every federal agency created by Obamacare and the power accrued to Fedzilla by controlling health care decisions and medical records MUST be removed from the law books.

Completely.


8 posted on 03/29/2017 11:53:29 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: ExpatCanuck
There is no alternative plan. Every plan must offer what ACA demands; equal costs no matter the gender of the person getting the insurance, mandated benefits, mandated maternity coverage (very useful for 45 year old men..), etc, etc, etc.

PelosiCare poisoned the well, the only way to offer any alternative is to repeal ACA.

9 posted on 03/29/2017 11:56:24 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: ExpatCanuck

Because it’s full of libtards wet dreams that have nothing to do with medicine or insurance.


10 posted on 03/29/2017 11:56:54 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you! Succinct and clear. Oh, and thanks for FreeRepublic.


11 posted on 03/29/2017 11:58:22 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: ExpatCanuck

That’s how I feel about it. Leave the old law in place and repeal the penalties for every mandate. Just leave it as a castrated law having zero effect, EXCEPT for those who wish to “take advantage” of it.

Develop a much simpler plan (I call my version a “chest of drawers” plan) that has 4 or 5 levels of healthcare an individual or a group may purchase; or not.

I still believe that having private insurers who are most concerned with preserving their ability to arbitrage 80-90% of all medical costs in place, and who are among the most powerful financial entities in existence; no real cost containment will ever be achieved.

The correct plan is to pay cash for all but catastrophic healthcare, perhaps buy a policy that will protect you monetarily but is simply a put on yourself that pays out for 5-figure healthcare semi-catastrophes and for the gov’t pay for people who need $250K in HC a year, just give it to them. For people who require sub-$100K in HC, figure out a way to make loans to those patients at very low interest.

It is never going to be possible to completely eliminate the prospect of BK for people who get catastrophically sick or for gang members who get shot 6 times and need multi-year medical care. To accomodate those outliers, the fact of the matter is that insurers have to raise their rates on everyone else so high that ALL policies become unaffordable. Utopia is not achievable, some people will get smoked.


12 posted on 03/29/2017 12:01:05 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Apoplectic is where we want them!)
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To: Lurkinanloomin; ExpatCanuck

Here is the full repeal bill currently filed by Mo Brook (R-AL):

Full text of Bill:

“Effective as of Dec. 31, 2017, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is repealed, and the provisions of law amended or repealed by such Act are restored or revived as if such Act had not been enacted,” the bill states.

That’s it in its entirety and we’re back to 2008 re getting the feds out of private healthcare.

Obamacare fades from memory like a bad dream.


13 posted on 03/29/2017 12:01:10 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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Jim, do you know anything about this?

May 22: The ACA’s day in court
One key to insurers selling plans in the marketplace are reimbursements they receive called cost-sharing reductions. These aren’t the same as the tax credits that people receive to help pay their premiums; it is financial assistance to help low-income people pay their out-of-pocket costs, such as deductibles. The Congressional Budget Office projected those payments would add up to $7 billion this year and $10 billion in 2018.
In 2014, House Republicans sued the Obama administration over the constitutionality of the cost-sharing reduction payments, which had not been appropriated by Congress. The lawmakers won the lawsuit, and the Obama administration appealed it. Late last year, with a new administration on the other end of the suit, the House sought to pause the proceedings — with a deadline for a status update in late May.
The Trump administration and House lawmakers have to report to the judge this spring. If the Trump administration drops the appeal, it would mean the subsidies would stop being paid — a huge blow to the marketplaces and millions of people. If lawmakers wanted the payments to continue, they would have to find a way to fund them. One opportunity for that is coming up fast, the continuing resolution that must be passed by April 28. If the Trump administration continues the lawsuit, it will be in the odd position of fighting its own party.
In the interim, it has been the status quo: The cost-sharing reduction payments are being made each month. Lobbyists for the insurance industry are meeting with lawmakers to pressure them to continue funding cost-sharing reductions.
“Our hope is that there is a mechanism for continued funding for cost-sharing reductions, that happens regardless of the lawsuit, ... said Kristine Grow, spokeswoman for America’s Health Insurance Plans.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3539139/posts?page=18


14 posted on 03/29/2017 12:05:19 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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That’s exactly what repeal means.

Amazing how many freepers wanted to keep 80% of Obamacare and call it Trumpcare.


15 posted on 03/29/2017 12:05:32 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: circlecity
Because Obama requires everyone to be enrolled in a plan with certain required specific benefits.

Required everyone... EXCEPT Obama himself, Michelle or the Obama brats, his staff, members of Congress and their staffs, Supreme Court justices, select other "exempt"...

THEY got freedom. The American people got sh-t.

16 posted on 03/29/2017 12:05:37 PM PDT by Ciaphas Cain (The choice to be stupid is not a conviction I am obligated to respect.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Do a full repeal of Obamacare and then remove any and all federal obstacles blocking free market enterprises from doing what you suggest. The feds do not have the constitutional authority to dictate socialist plans or free market plans. They must stay out of it altogether.


17 posted on 03/29/2017 12:05:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: Rusty0604

Not specifically, but welfare programs or charities at the federal level are unconstitutional per James Madison.


18 posted on 03/29/2017 12:08:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Do a full repeal of Obamacare


I think it might get more action if we got rid of the exemptions to Obamacare. Trump can make that happen over night.....................


19 posted on 03/29/2017 12:09:05 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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Put the full repeal bill up to a vote and we’ll find out.


20 posted on 03/29/2017 12:10:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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