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To: C19fan

Marx later said he was not a “Marxist” as it was practiced.


2 posted on 03/28/2017 11:21:42 AM PDT by arrogantsob (Check out "CHAOS AND MAYHEM" at Amazon.com.)
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To: arrogantsob

What did he mean since he died in 1883? Was he talking about the Paris Commune?


4 posted on 03/28/2017 11:23:16 AM PDT by C19fan
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Marx later said he was not a “Marxist” as it was practiced.

I guess that is the quote that's been given as "If anything is certain, it is that I myself am not a Marxist," and in other variants. So far as I can make out it referred to tactical disputes among French Communists. I'm not sure I understand it correctly, but it seems like one group of French Marxists was very radical and dismissed reformist planks in the platform. Marx felt those promises of reform were necessary to build the movement.

Marx wasn't thinking reform of the existing system was enough, but he recognized that more workers were attracted by promises of reform than by violent revolution. Or maybe I'm totally wrong about all that. Marx's son-in-law was one of the French Marxists he attacked, so maybe it was a family thing. In any case it was a throwaway line that proved useful in debates among Marxists later, not a thoroughgoing repudiation of his earlier thinking or of what his followers were doing.

I guess there was a young Marx and an old Marx -- or a bunch of different Marxes spread across his lifetime. It may be that the big change came when Engels and others tried to systematize "Marxism" as a "science." They could have said "these are some ideas our pal had," but instead they presented Marx as a proven system that could predict the future. Marx probably did think he could predict the future, but if he'd lived longer he would probably have gone on to contradict things he'd already said.

13 posted on 03/28/2017 1:26:55 PM PDT by x
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