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A FReeper watches "Beauty and the Beast" (2017)
ctdonath2

Posted on 03/24/2017 9:35:31 PM PDT by ctdonath2

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1 posted on 03/24/2017 9:35:31 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: ctdonath2

And this was a movie for children?


2 posted on 03/24/2017 9:38:04 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: ctdonath2

I agree with your review.

I saw it a week ago, and had exactly the same impression.

It was not propaganda.

So there’s a somewhat gay character. So what? He’s just among all the other characters, a realistic and non-ideal guy just like the rest.

It was a good movie, in my view.

Though Kong was my favorite. Very like that film.

:D


3 posted on 03/24/2017 9:44:59 PM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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To: ctdonath2

And why would anyone wish to contribute a dime to Disney?


4 posted on 03/24/2017 9:45:23 PM PDT by EliRoom8
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To: ctdonath2

Even in medieval/renaissance times, outside ethnics weren’t entirely unknown there. There’s a few portraits of North and sub-Saharan africans in European settings from that period.


5 posted on 03/24/2017 9:49:10 PM PDT by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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To: EliRoom8

Good point Eli. But why? Because folks are not paying attention....even FReepers it seems like.


6 posted on 03/24/2017 9:49:28 PM PDT by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a great life!)
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To: Dalberg-Acton

Maybe, caught up in the “issues”, I failed to expand on that - probably because everyone knows the story and the set pieces already, and most readers here want to know the sordid details bandied about in the media of late.

This IS a children’s story, suitable for adults. There’s a teen Belle who simply wants to read books and admire her eccentric tinkering father, but has to ward off the advances of an amorous Gaston, and ends up maturely falling in love with a prince. There are several musical set pieces, involving much spectacular dancing by either townsfolk or brilliantly animated furnishings. It’s the classic fairy tale, brought more to life than any production has. Romantic intimacy is nearly non-existent, save for Belle’s passionate kiss with the Prince at the end. It teaches classic Western cultural values which children need absorb.

The PG rating likely comes from the intensity of the fight scenes, and that mostly from the brief but vicious battles with wild wolves, and Gaston’s final attempt at killing Beast.


7 posted on 03/24/2017 9:51:19 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Understand the Left: "The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the Revolution.")
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Never cared for the animated film. Real Beauty And The Beast has Ron Perlman.
8 posted on 03/24/2017 9:51:37 PM PDT by MrEdd (MrEdd)
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To: EliRoom8

Saw this movie here in China. Watched the 3D version with the wife. It was ok.

On a scale from 0 to 10, with 0 = terrible, and 10 = fantastic, I would give this movie a strong 5. It’s an ok version of a kid’s movie that I neither hated nor liked when I was growing up.


9 posted on 03/24/2017 9:52:14 PM PDT by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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To: ctdonath2
First of all, fairy tales were NOT originally for children at all; it took the brothers Grimm to make them so...via expurgation and Hans Christian Anderson writing new ones FOR children.

As Dr. Bruno Bettleheim wrote, fairy tales are GREAT for children, because it helps them work things out, in their minds, especially the loss of a parent, a cruel parent, etc.!

Beauty and the Beast is a cojoining of the ancient Greek & Roman myth: CUPID & PSYCHE and Cinderella; themes that can be found, world wide, in tales and myths.

Personally, I'd rather parents read fairy tales to their children, since Disney has ALWAYS bolloxed them up. For instance...there's NO character like Gaston, let alone Gaston, in the original tale.

10 posted on 03/24/2017 9:54:47 PM PDT by nopardons
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The 1946 French film version of Beauty and the Beast is really lovely. It's occasionally shown on Turner Movie Classics.
11 posted on 03/24/2017 9:57:44 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: bobby.223

exactly- not taking kids to see a ‘man character’ prancing around in a dress and liking it-

Deuteronomy 22:5

A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this.

Sorry- no gray area here- men prancing around effeminately is an abomination


12 posted on 03/24/2017 9:58:32 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: EliRoom8

Disney’s most subversive works these days are their teen and tween television shows. The cool kids always have smart-mouthed replies for their parents and/or other adults. There is plenty of subtle propaganda in those shows. I block the Disney channels.


13 posted on 03/24/2017 9:58:52 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a Russian AK-47 and a French bikini.)
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To: ctdonath2

Maybe it is worth a view.

Beauty and the Beast is my favorite Disney film... although I like Fantasia a lot, too.


14 posted on 03/24/2017 9:59:13 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: EliRoom8
Because missing out on a quality 2-hour performance of a classic Western tale over a couple seconds of subtle deviancy is missing an opportunity.

If you're going to boycott everything over every little thing, you're going to miss out on pretty much everything. I am _very_ fond of the basic La Belle et la Bete fairy tale, and this is an excellent performance of it.

I also expect people to use my software (likely millions once we finish this package) even if they disagree with my sociopolitical opinions (being to the right of the Tea Party).

15 posted on 03/24/2017 9:59:34 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Understand the Left: "The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the Revolution.")
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To: coydog

Some of the “outside ethnics” in this performance seemed forced. Some I had absolutely no problem with, as they integrated with the setting quite well; others, well, you’ll know what I mean when you see the ending.


16 posted on 03/24/2017 10:00:57 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Understand the Left: "The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the Revolution.")
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Where does the original fit into the canon of film these days? Classic? Good for its time?

The studio released the full pencil test edit (if I recall) on laserdisc (workprint or somesuch name). Don’t know if that was included with the DVD.

Wasn’t there computer assist at least on backgrounds or shadows?

I guess the remake may hold favor for those looking for musicals or pageantry.

When I saw the digital transmission of the final Monty Python reunion performance, they aired some trailers indicating you could see live hi-def stage performances from London and New York in movie theaters too. So that is one way to translate the “stage” experience.

But on the pageantry is there anything to rival this film (which I have not seen, only saw the trailer theatrically screened before it opened). Period musical all filmed on one single continuous take with a cast of 2000, 3 live orchestras, and elaborate staging:

Russian Ark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV1kphEEXn8

It doesn’t tell the same tale as Beauty and the Beast or have those songs or anything but the scenery appears to be the sort the palace was modeled after, the costuming is close, etc. With the novelty of one continuous take and such involved participation, I don’t even care if it is any good. I watched Richard Linkletter’s 3 hour “Boyhood” tale and was unimpressed but aware of the novelty of watching the cast grow up over 10 years. David Carradine was making a film with his daughter as Mata Hari that was filmed over 30 years I think but who knows if it will ever be completed.


17 posted on 03/24/2017 10:02:33 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (patriots win, Communists and Socialist Just-Us Warriors lose)
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To: CaptainK

“The 1946 French film version of Beauty and the Beast is really lovely.”

Try the Criterion edition with the Philip Glass replacement audio/music track. Absolutely wonderful; I got to see a live performance. Remembering it makes my spine tingle.


18 posted on 03/24/2017 10:03:11 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Understand the Left: "The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the Revolution.")
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To: Bob434

Actually, the movie _did_ present cross-dressing as an abomination. There was nothing flattering about it. The one guy portrayed as enjoying it was clearly off his rocker.


19 posted on 03/24/2017 10:04:40 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Understand the Left: "The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the Revolution.")
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To: Monterrosa-24

That I can agree with. I’ve largely prevented _any_ form of regular TV from entering my home.

The blockbuster Disney movies, however, are a completely different category.


20 posted on 03/24/2017 10:05:57 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Understand the Left: "The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the Revolution.")
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