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To: jeffersondem

Nonsense. The “disaster” at Appomattox showed that you cannot own slaves and profess freedom. CSA Constitution was all about slavery, mentioning it THREE times specifically.

Democrats are still all about slavery. It was the essence of the South and the essence of the new welfare Dem slavery party, and I hope CA tries secession cause it too will see its little Appomattox.


86 posted on 03/23/2017 5:46:39 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: LS

“CSA Constitution was all about slavery, mentioning it THREE times specifically.”

Didn’t the USA Constitution - the one that Abraham Lincoln swore to defend - mention slavery three times?


87 posted on 03/23/2017 6:01:30 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: LS

” The “disaster” at Appomattox showed that you cannot own slaves and profess freedom. “

Didn’t George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and a host of others do exactly that?


92 posted on 03/24/2017 12:44:34 AM PDT by Pelham (Liberate California. Deport Mexico Now)
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To: LS; jeffersondem; rockrr; x
jeffersondem: "The disaster at Appomattox ensured the federal government would inexorably grow."

LS: "The “disaster” at Appomattox showed that you cannot own slaves and profess freedom. CSA Constitution was all about slavery..."

Many of our Lost Causers blame "Ape" Lincoln and his Black Republicans for the unlimited growth we've seen in Federal Government since the Progressive and New Deal era.
But the historical facts are quite different.
Federal government remained, except during times of war, essentially unchanged in overall size from 1792 through the end of President Wilson's first term in 1916:

Federal government spending as percent of US GDP:

  1. 1792 = 2.3% President Washington, Federalist
  2. 1800 = 2.3% President Adams, Federalist
  3. 1858 = 2.2% President Buchanan, Democrat
  4. 1888 = 2.3% President Cleveland, Democrat
  5. 1903 = 2.3% President Teddy Roosevelt, Republican
  6. 1916 = 2.1% President Wilson, Democrat
Of course, spending went up & down according to economic and war-time conditions, but arguably the Federal government was still relatively the same size in 1916 as it had been in 1792 under President Washington.
Even after the First World War, when Federal spending rose as it had in the late 1860s into the 4% region, the reason then, as before, was to pay down the national debt.
That growth did not represent a massive new usurpation of citizen rights.

So it really wasn't until Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal that we saw a qualitative & quantitative change in Federal government size, scope & powers, when Federal spending doubled & doubled again before WWII, then continued doubling throughout the war until it consumed nearly 50% of US GDP in 1945.

Since the Second World War Federal spending has only occasionally dipped below 20% of GDP and in recent years rose into the mid-20s%, along with deficits which doubled national debt to over 100% of GDP.

Sorry if that doesn't comport with our Lost Causers' mythology, but facts, as they say, are stubborn things.

126 posted on 03/27/2017 3:41:25 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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