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Bill would let women sue doctors who perform their abortions [Iowa]
Associated Press ^ | Jan 17, 2017 6:39 PM EST | Barbara Rodriguez

Posted on 01/18/2017 5:56:19 AM PST by Olog-hai

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To: johniegrad
It seems to be a well meaning bill that fails to recognize unintended consequences.

What it does is begin to force feminists out of their "have your cake and eat it too" legal paradise!

21 posted on 01/18/2017 6:34:45 AM PST by papertyger (The semantics define how we think.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
I really wouldn’t encourage this approach. This is something Democrats would do, decide that if something has upset you, even if you are the one who initiated it, you can get money by going after the other party.

I agree. It's unseemly, devious. It's the sort of thing conservatives don't like in the 2nd amendment arena.

22 posted on 01/18/2017 6:38:20 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Olog-hai

Actions have consequences. Emotional distress after having an abortion is a consequence.

If it passed it would set a dangerous precedent (assuming it held up to legal challenges).

Substitute any word in place of ‘abortion’ and we would all be screaming. I am a strong believer in the rights and responsibilities of individuals, not the village. Make a bad life choice, you own it and everything that follows. You don’t get to outsource your guilt, regret, emotional distress.

Besides, all that will happen is the woman will have one more form to sign acknowledging she has been counseled about the emotional consequences when she realizes she killed her unborn child.


23 posted on 01/18/2017 6:49:55 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, I believe this is the most exciting innovation in Pro-Life thinking since Roe v. Wade. Unfortunately, I do not have the Pro-Life Ping list.

Could you help a brother out?


24 posted on 01/18/2017 6:52:56 AM PST by papertyger (The semantics define how we think.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
I really wouldn’t encourage this approach

Don't care. Saving babies from being slaughtered should be pursued by any means possible, up to and including deception, trickery and dishonest arguments.

There is a time and place for good, honest, moral gamesmanship in the court of public policy and public opinion. When little babies are being torn limb from limb, it is not the time to be worried about tactics.

25 posted on 01/18/2017 7:04:25 AM PST by nitzy
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To: Olog-hai

The bort spox says the bill unfairly targets abortion as the only surgical operation for which the patient could subsequently sue for emotional distress.

“Unfairly?” It happens that abortion is the only surgical operation that kills your baby. Wouldn’t that be linked, somehow, to emotional distress? Wouldn’t that be, y’know, a factor?


26 posted on 01/18/2017 7:12:13 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Justice and Judgment are the foundation of His Throne.)
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To: Olog-hai

Stop me before I kill again


27 posted on 01/18/2017 7:13:31 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to irritate someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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To: txrefugee

Won’t put them out of business...but might make them demand a psychiatric consultation prior to the procedure to ensure the emotional stability of the patient. Come to think of it .... that isn’t a bad idea!!!


28 posted on 01/18/2017 7:27:50 AM PST by Froggie
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The bort spox says the bill unfairly targets abortion as the only surgical operation for which the patient could subsequently sue for emotional distress.

I'm good with that! I'm very Pro-Woman!

29 posted on 01/18/2017 7:43:18 AM PST by papertyger (The semantics define how we think.)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

The problem with your argument is that we are talking about someone’s ultimate right being denied them without their consent not some property or such being denied.

The unborn child has no protection under the law as it stands now. One can sue for a wrongful death why not in this case? Why are abortionist given so much legal protection from litigation?


30 posted on 01/18/2017 7:51:06 AM PST by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: johniegrad
Then it will be argued that, since the process of informed consent does not protect against litigation

The counter argument is that the abortionists do not provide the honest counseling required for informed consent.

31 posted on 01/18/2017 7:55:07 AM PST by NorthMountain (Washington Post is Fake News)
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To: NorthMountain
Most of them don't. A few of them do. However, a legal remedy is already available in the case of those who don't. Failure to provide adequately informed consent constitutes medical negligence.

But if those who do provide adequately informed consent become more vulnerable to litigation (lawsuits based on previously discussed risks and benefits accompanied by a voluntary decision on the part of the one accepting the risks), then the argument will be made that the same applies to adequately informed consent in all "medical" practice.

The unintended consequence in this legislation carries with it the risk of windfall of malpractice jackpots not just in the case of abortionists but for all of medical practice.

32 posted on 01/18/2017 8:18:45 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: Olog-hai

The horror so many women live with would bankrupt the baby butcher business model, but it can never restore the heart.


33 posted on 01/18/2017 8:19:42 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: frogjerk

This is not about a wrongful death suit on behalf of an infant whose life was ended before birth. It is about a woman who thought she could end the life of her unborn child without any feelings of guilt or remorse. So she goes after the doctor.

You know who I would go after? The pro-choicers who have convinced a large segment of our society that abortion is no big deal, a “right” (a term I use loosely) without any responsibilities or consequences. They fight any type of counseling tooth and nail.


34 posted on 01/18/2017 8:49:57 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: papertyger

This will come back on you because you are reinforcing the notion that we are not responsible for our actions. This bolsters all the liberal uses of this mindset, as in suing bartenders because someone drove drunk, arresting men for The Retroactive No concerning sex, suing gun dealers for guns used illegally or causing accidental death... It’s just a very bad idea. Very bad. It’s goal-oriented rather than principle-oriented, which is not a conservative value.


35 posted on 01/18/2017 10:26:35 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: nitzy

Remember, any precedent you set can be used in horrific ways once your enemies get their hands on it. Ask Harry Reid how he feels about the precedents he set now that the GOP has House, Senate, and Oval Office. It’s very short-sighted.


36 posted on 01/18/2017 10:28:51 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
It’s goal-oriented rather than principle-oriented, which is not a conservative value.

Correct, but that's the whole point of gender politics. There is no end to the "special" provisions in our legal system specifically designed to benefit women.

37 posted on 01/18/2017 10:36:33 AM PST by papertyger (The semantics define how we think.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
Remember, any precedent you set can be used in horrific ways once your enemies get their hands on it.

Not where women are involved. Example: abortion, adoption, sexual assault, title 9, child custody, welfare benefits, etc....

38 posted on 01/18/2017 10:40:49 AM PST by papertyger (The semantics define how we think.)
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