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Posted on 01/06/2017 11:39:59 AM PST by C19fan
I had that poster up in my dorm room in college and the lib broads would freak.I loved it.
I believe Himmler wanted to replace the Heer with the Waffen SS after the war, much as Rhoem wanted to do with the SA before it.
Reich fan boys always point out that “waffen” thing as though it makes a difference. Yes, Marines were brutal in the no quarters combat of the Pacific war. But they never lined up uncountable numbers of naked women and shot them.
Marines were heterosexual.
One major factor in the fighting power of the Waffen SS was they were first in line for new equipment and refitting.
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Ask the British paratroopers trying to take Arnhem in Operation Market Garden if the SS were poor soldiers.
OG Smith is quite the character, especially in the last couple episodes.
Oh Vey,
I have not defended the SS, either your comprehension level is limited or you lack the ability to separate fighting ability from morality. They are separate issues.
What I stated was:
1) The SS was a criminal organization.
2) They fought very hard, similar to the US Marine Corps.
3) There is evidence to indicate the Heer was tactically more advanced than the SS, as evidenced by two examples.
Holding idea 1 does not preclude idea 2 from being true, nor does thinking idea 2 is true mean someone is denying idea 1.
Your inability to comprehend that implies you do not get abstractions, as is your willingness to make this a personal affront and go to the insult stage of discussion.
grow up.
“The Forgotten Soldier” by Guy Sajer...excellent book and an almost unbelievable story!
Puh-leeze, no more equating the Waffen SS with anything human. The only mistake was not killing every damn one of them.
Yeah, the Wehrmacht called the SS “asphalt soldiers” at first because they spent a lot of time parading and doing ceremonial things.
Just after D-day Canadians were running over their bodies with tanks because they were either faking death to try and plant shaped charges or were booby-trapped.
The young ones right out of Hitlerjugend (12th SS? Witt) were fierce, ruthless, crazy little b******s. Believe Kurt `Panzer’ Meyer, youngest SS general, commanded them for a while.
What made them different from the regular army was an egalitarianism, espirit de corp and willingness to act on their own initiative. Hitler called them his “firemen.”
Just reciting from memory. If I’m wrong, go ahead and correct me. If you want to scold (not necess. you NF), blow me.
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i guess that's why they called them every time there was a crisis to come help out... wait, wut
“...Now I am not defending the SS as an organization...”
Yeah, I didn’t think you were. You’re correct that they did indeed keep going regardless of casualties.
My dad was in Europe; his brothers were in the Pacific (USMC and Army too), as was Mom’s side (USMC).
he was i a named division, the Großdeutschland, but not the SS
“...If you want to scold ...”
Nah, when I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I’m a big boy... haha!
Good to talk with folks about it, though... so it doesn’t go down the memory hole.
The people that raised me were all WWII vets, my uncles, after my old man died. They’re all gone now, too. Which is something I find incredibly sad, because they were truly an amazing, thoroughly AMERICAN couple of generations.
I mentioned a book about the Gestapo earlier, up thread. It’s worth the read. Wealth of info on the SS and Gestapo.
Great war story. Sajer’s description of the retreat across the Dneiper river was excerpted in the Oxford Book of Military Anecdotes. I was moved to tears reading it.
Thanks for correcting my memory. Still a great story. Love the part at the end where he goes to get a drivers license in post war France and almost tells the clerk to get stuffed because “I was seventeen years old driving a three ton truck in the pitch black Ukraine freezing my.....”
Two things about the 6th Panzer Army: 1) First Lt. Lyle Joseph Bouck, Jr., commander, Intelligence and Reconnaissance Platoon, 394th Infantry Regiment, 99th Infantry Division, and 2) the damned Engineers.
A fascinating story - you might want to read about it.
Basically, a platoon of 18 guys at Lanzerath held up the spearhead Kampfgruppe Peiper for most of a day - long enough for "the damned Engineers" to start fracking up the works for Peiper's armored column.
Since the road net in the area was very restrictive, the Leibstandarte had to maintain a tight schedule - and once the dominoes of road restriction started falling, it was all over.
The engineers, combined with a few obsolete antitank guns, managed to keep blowing up the usable Amblève river bridges literally in the face of Peiper's column.
100%, still have the book... another good read is Campaign in Russia by Leon Degrelle a Belgium of the Rexist Party that went from Corporal to Division Commander of the Wallonian Division
the first use of the word SHEEPLE i ever saw was in that book
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