Posted on 12/08/2016 4:27:03 PM PST by Vision
My sister in law and sister both said if we end up with a Downs baby, we will love it completely. They had their last at 35. No way would either of them have an abortion for any reason. My wife and I wouldn’t either ever no matter what.
I know women who have had babies deep into their forties.
I get tired just thinking about it.
Actually that’s not as bad as YOUNGER kids who need physical entertainment/help. Teens are virtual adults and can take care of themselves. Not to much physicality involved.
Because getting just a tad older has sure added “tired” and “sick” to the equation, making me not very interesting for a young son, even if I try!
Just MHO.
Wow! You were truly special!
The age is 32. My mother has been an OBGYN RN for more than 50 years. I grew up knowing that if I hadn’t conceived by 32 not to try. The reason is the womb is too old after 32 to properly grow the child. Children born in older wombs tend to be slow at best.
Before abortion was legal women that got pregnant after 32 were offered the option of abortion. My Great Aunt Jean got pregnant at 35 and was offered an abortion. She chose to have the baby, and her baby, my Uncle Jack, is slow.
Many will tell you that modern medicine has changed the numbers. Don’t believe that. Biologically our bodies are the same today as they were in the 50s. 32 is the cut off for having a fully healthy baby.
This is my opinion, based on experience and observation - not scientific at all. So take it for what it’s worth.
All of the women who I’ve known who had healthy babies well into their 30’s and sometimes early 40’s, began having children in their 20’s and simply continued to do so.
The ones who waited to start too late (and I’m talking late 20’s or early 30’s) had issues. More miscarriages. More premies. Greater rate of infertility and never being able to have a baby at all.
Now I don’t know if this is because they just pushed their ‘biological clock’ or if they messed themselves up with birth control, but there does appear to be a deadline to get started.
Once a woman gets started, if it goes well, it appears to continue to do so.
As an old broad, my recommendation is to have as many babies as she wants as early as possible then get a partial hysterectomy and never have to deal with any of it again. (Wish I’d done that! I’m so bitter that I didn’t do that!)
With all that said, having babies after 40 does contribute to longevity. I do believe that every woman who’s ever lived past 100 had children when she was older. Pregnancy can have a restorative effect.
I know two families who had Downs Syndrome babies, knowing the risk before pregnancy and then knowing what to expect, and I very strongly approve of their decision not to kill their babies. I also know people who chose not to get pregnant past age 40 because of that risk, and I completely understand that choice too. Even a 3% risk of a lifelong responsibility that demanding is something to be seriously considered before following that path.
I’m a statistics guy, presenting the numbers to help with understanding the degree of safety and of risk.
there are 2 parts to the answer. Birthing an embryo and creating an embryo. Carrying a baby to term has no age limit as long as the mother’s health is good. Female eggs do begin to decline in the early 30’s. Thus if you want to push out motherhood it makes sense to freeze some for future use. In the near term it will be possible to take the shell if you will from one woman, the genetic material from another and sperm from some other source and create an embryo.
The best strategy for healthy kids is have them early when the eggs are best. With the femminazi infestation of the culture, not going to happen. Report out this week 40% of NYC pregnancies are aborted.
I agree with all you said. I am so glad that the families were able to love the baby and welcome them. And I understand when a husband and wife says enough.....
As far as Statistics goes, I still get sweats thinking about it. First time, I received a “D” and FSU doesn’t accept “D’s” (At least back in 1988....God only knows now). So I took it again immediately with the same professor and got a C- (clearly he didn’t want to see me again).
Slight correction, women’s age can be important but the man’s DNA health can be even more significan. Here are a couple of good articles:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4455614/
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090630075311.htm
By the way, I’m sure we all agree that all human life is precious. :) It’s good to know if you can effect a pregnancy even more positively though by being healthy.
My wife had 4 of our 8 children between the age of 35 and 43......all by natural childbirth. Yes, she’s one tough lady - still a size 4 -6.
All births were normal, healthy, as was she. She’d recover from natural childbirth in less than an hour, while it was days with epidural.
All of the 4 are now very successful, healthy and mature adults.
How about Abraham’s wife Sarah? Had Isaac when she was 90.....and no, that story is not a myth.......
My wife was 44 when she gave birth to the final of our seven children. The greatest scares/risks came with our first three (mother was under 23 at third birth). Our last four were relatively easy and born without difficulty. We had two born at home, one with no trained medical personnel present (not done intentionally this way——long story), the final of the seven born at home, abroad, attended by the staff physician from a nearby Christian children’s home. She just watched and let us handle everything.
There are two issues here. I know a lot about them.
1)healthy safe pregnancy itself: a healthy woman in her 60s can have a healthy pregnancy. Anything younger than that is fine. She needs a decent diet, exercise, decent blood pressure and vitals. Weight doesn’t matter except far too thin and undernourished. Extreme obesity can be a problem too.
2) egg quality: to have a viable baby with your own eggs is today somewhat of a crap shoot. This is the actual researched truth. While getting pregnant can be simple for many women, staying pregnant might not be, and that is 90% due to egg quality. There is something (or multiple things) in our environment, including in our mothers’ environments (uterine) that is affective egg quality these days in a very negative way. Our reproductive systems are, like our neuro systems, the most sensitive to environmental pollutants (plastics, pesticides, who knows what exactly) of all our Bui systems.
Today reproductive endocrinologists are finding that even their best egg donors under 25, with proven successful pregnancies behind them, can already only have 50% (EVEN LESS) good eggs left. This means that women’s egg quality is decreasing faster than it used to. Typically, to have a healthy baby under age 40 should be no problem. But it varies from woman to woman. Some women in their early 30s have very few good eggs left. It is impossible to tell, in a woman who isn’t having her egg quality tested, what her chances are for keeping viable eggs into her 40s or even late 30s.
As a rough rule for “normal” egg quality, a woman has a 50% chance at age 41 of giving birth to a baby. This drops to maybe 5% at 45. By 42 it’s already probably under 30%. Absolutely true. But since this varies from woman to woman, some do have healthy children over 41.
Once egg quality starts really slipping in the late 30s, miscarriages are the rule. While trying to get pregnant after 40, you might “conceive” with each effort. Every month, as it were. But with an aneuploid egg, there will never be a baby. There will never be even a second trimester. This was never a baby so it was never the loss of a dream child, but try telling that to the heartbroken couple who “finally had a successful cycle.” They sure as heck are mourning with broken hearts.
There are a very few exceptions to the aneuploid egg = a early miscarriage (blighted ovum or other name), and one is Down Syndrome. The egg was aneuploid but sometimes it is compatible with life and a baby will be born. It needs to be understood that Down Syndrome is a lucky aneuploidy, in the sense of life, because almost all aneuploidies do not make it even to the second trimester. There will be an early miscarriage between weeks 6-13. Most aneuploidies were never babies and can’t be babies. At least half of all conceptions are aneuploidies — in the past, most women didn’t know they were briefly pregnant.
The one most magnificent thing about technology is that if you wish to be a parent, you can be a parent. Of course there is always adoption and many ways to do that. But with third party reproduction there are blessed ways to have a family, and yes, even people of faith can achieve this, even poor people can achieve this. There is egg donation, where the husband’s sperm can still be used, in the case where the wife has not enoug viable eggs. After a few heartbreaking cycle she of miscarriages, couples get over the hurdle of “but it isn’t my genetics” because they want a BABY at all. Not just a genetic baby. And they wish to carry the pregnancy and breastfeed and have only their names on the birth certificate.
But egg donation can be expensive. That brings couples to another choice, that of embryo donation or “adoption.” This has to be free because owning humans was outlawed in the 1800s. There are thousands of unneeded embryos available all over the country. The best of these are from couples who used young, healthy egg donors because these will be the most likely to be euploid and give you that beautiful healthy bouncing baby. The only cost involved is for the lawyers to draw up the documents and of course some simple hormonal prep and the transfer itself. It’s not much. And of course there are only you and husband on your birth certificate.
Please freepmail me anyone interested... I’ve done it and I have the most beautiful, healthy, smart daughter who was in the freezer for four years. These embryos deserve a shot at life. Not all are souls. Aneuploid, never to be babies, those aren’t people. But my daughter was, and so many of them are. What a wonderful way to add to your family. I am a walking advertisement for embryo adoption so please, let me know if you want any more info.
And since I have own-egg children as well, I can confirm 100% that the love, the feeling, everything is EXACTLY the same as a genetic child. Absolutely no difference. Ask her, she knows, SHE IS MINE and I am hers.
I had my first at 38 and 2 more in my 40s. They are all in universities and college now. My Mother had me at 39 my husband’s mother had him at 45.
Besides decreased fertility as the woman gets older, there’s this: do you REALLY want to be dealing with teen angst in your 50’s or 60’s ?
Do you really want to deal with putting a kid through college in your 60s ?
Please note about the anecdotes on this thread:
The people who talk about earlier generations or 20 or more years ago having healthy babies over 43 are correct; it used to happen. The world was different then.
The people who talk about friends and relatives over 43 giving birth lately to healthy babies DO NOT KNOW if the couple used donor egg. Some couples don’t tell everyone they did. I think it is nothing to be ashamed of, but some people seem somehow ashamed or feel that it is private. (I vehemently don’t feel that way, for the sake of the child... )
So please don’t cling to FReepers knowing people who had a healthy baby at 48 etc. if the freepers themselves had such, then they are lucky and I congratulate them. But they don’t know for sure how their friends conceived.
73, but he didn’t give birth. :-P
1/30 is a very high rate. That is 35000 affected in a million births. Sorry, but that is a very high rate for a birth defect of any kind.
I thought there was a difference in risk factor for a woman who has her first child late in life vs when she has one of many children late in life.
In other words, I thought that a mom who has her first child at 20 and her 6th child at 40, the 6th child is at low risk for birth defects.
But for a woman who is conceiving for the first time at age 40, the risk is high for birth defects.
Maybe somebody can clear this up for me. Maybe I am misinformed.
however, overall, having a baby and child raising is a huge physical drain on an older mom....
my mom kept having her brood until she didn't....she did okay...
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