Posted on 11/10/2016 10:05:46 AM PST by zeestephen
Or, multiple time voters?
Or, how many votes disappeared?
Or, how many votes transferred from R to D. in computers?
“Hillary won the popular vote in the 2008 Democratic nomination process, but they still gave it to Obama.”
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I didn’t know that.
Was it because of the Superdelegate nonsense?
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Funny how they love the system when it suits but hate it when it doesn't.
Or, multiple time voters?
Or, how many votes disappeared?
All need to be addressed. Trump should appoint a "Voter Honesty Reclamation" committee and come up with a "Voter Reclamation Act" or some such with Congress.
I'm sure there's a way. If anyone can do this, it will be Trump. A good job for Don Jr., Ivanka and Eric?
You would think with computers, removing the dead people on the rolls would be a complicated but straightforward project. Once the software was up to speed and it's done once nationwide, it can be done once a year every November 1. Up to the states? Federal project? Anyone know of current efforts in this regard?
That’s an excellent point. Superdelegates is how Hitlery won in the primary. That and her cheating.
I agree. I hope just because the election is over that this issue doesn’t get addressed.
The drumbeat builds to end the Electoral College which is a fantastic way to determine a presidential election - one that has fairly chosen presidents of both parties by margins large and small.
But if a defense of the EC doesn’t work well try this:
Only a total moron would want the presidency decided by the popular vote because then it takes only one out-of-control voter to tilt the entire election. One computer hacker in New York or California or Texas can simply zap a million or two votes for their preferred candidate and throw the whole process into chaos.
Even if that did not happen, recall how long it took to do the unfinished Florida recount in 2000 and then multiply by 50. All the legal challenges. It would take months to finish. Indeed the “media recount’ of Florida did not come out until summer, 2001. Nobody would want to see that happen.
So, if the Electoral College must be destroyed, I have an alternative: Let’s give each county or parish across the country one vote and total those votes. How many counties went for Trump, how many went for Clinton? What could be more fair?
“Funny how they love the system when it suits but hate it when it doesn’t. “
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Oh yeah !
The whining at DU was constant when Scalia wasn’t replaced because it was an election year——and then someone pointed out the Biden video asking for an election year delay in 1992.
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Anyone have an idea why total turn out just collapsed the way it did? 22% for Trump and 28% for Clinton? Was that expected?
Exactly Trump won the votes where they were needed, PA, MI and WI. The HC vote was wasted in states she would win anyways. The battleground polls were so wrong. Surely she didn’t believe those pollsters?
So if we go with conservative 20 mill. 1% is 200,000 votes.
At least. So Trump would have maybe won the popular vote too.
They had issues with states holding primaries on dates not approved. Generally that was used to fuzz up the numbers and make it look like she DIDN’T have the popular vote win, but she did.
The wiki notes it in the text, but the official table has him with a tiny lead. She won Cali and FL and NY and simply flat out had more votes.
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From wiki:
Although Obama led in the delegate count, Clinton won the popular vote.[2] However, the popular vote tally from most news organizations did not include Iowa, Maine, Nevada, and Washington which did not release popular vote results, but it did include Florida, which neither Clinton nor Obama contested, and Michigan, where Obama withdraw from the ballot yet Clinton did not, due to the Democratic National Committee’s penalizing of those two states for violating party rules. [3] Nevertheless, regardless of how votes were counted, the candidates’ totals were within less than one percent of each other.[4]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2008
I agree.
But I am disturbed by the raucous, triumphal tone in most of these Comments.
Trump barely squeaked across the finish line in first place.
His lead in Michigan is 12,000 (0.3%), with 4% of the vote still uncounted.
His lead in Wisconsin is 27,000 (0.9%), with 5% of the vote still uncounted.
If Trump loses those two states, Clinton will be president.
Thanks for the most informative post.
Lordy,it does get complicated——at least for me.
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No, he’s got AZ and PA called for him. With MI & WI that puts him at 306.
Correct, I goofed.
Clinton still needs all three states to flip - Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.
But, as I pointed out earlier, that’s still only 107,000 votes, and Trump’s largest lead, in Pennsylvania, is just 1.1%.
Bottom Line for me...
The Democrats have enough LEGAL voters to beat the GOP in a national election any time they want to.
The only time the Democrats lose a national election is when they fail to turn out their core LEGAL voters.
The Democrats nominated a deeply flawed candidate.
In spite of that, Hillary Clinton will beat Trump by 1.5 million popular votes.
And, their deeply flawed candidate lost three key states by just 1.1%, 0.9%, and 0.2%.
The glib exuberance over Trump’s victory is completely misplaced.
Dafuq is wrong with you.
Yeah and if I had a vaj I'd be Huma Abadeen.
OK, but Hillary only won NH by like 1000 votes I think and Trump lost MN by ~2%. Also, I think Obama’s 2012 “landslide” was about 300k votes in the battleground states.
Also, let’s not forget that there are many would-be crossover voters that would have voted for Trump if not for concerns about his temperament. If he can do a good job in the next 4 years, I think his numbers will grow.
Otherwise, not going to argue about D’s structural advantage.
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