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The 1986 Miami Shootout: The Gunfight That Changed Law Enforcement Nationwide
guns.com ^ | Aug. 24, 2011 | David LaPell

Posted on 11/06/2016 11:11:39 AM PST by PROCON

On April 11, 1986 eight FBI agents engaged in a lead slinging war with two criminals, and despite outnumbering the crooks by four-to-one, ended up losing two of their own in a debacle that changed both tactics and the choices of firearms for law enforcement as a whole.

Michael Platt and William Matix were no good, despite not having a criminal record before they began their crime spree that ended their careers and lives. The two met while serving in Fort Campbell, Kentucky, Matix having been a former Marine before enlisting in the Army. Platt was a Ranger. Strangely enough, the wives of both men died under strange circumstances, but neither was ever charged with any crime. The two men began their crime wave by murdering twenty five year old Emelio Briel while he was target shooting on October 5, 1985, and stealing his car.

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KEYWORDS: 10mm; 40sw; banglist; fbi; gunfight; revolvers; undergunned
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
The host confounded the lib by saying “What if the SLA memebers had shot the firehoses full of holes with their machine guns!”

That's pretty funny.

21 posted on 11/06/2016 11:52:05 AM PST by BipolarBob (Hillary "Elect me and every Tuesday will be Soylent Green day!".)
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To: Jeff Chandler

That is true. I use thr Glock 21, .45 cal for work onky becaise I shot it better than the 9mm and the .40 (which I carried previously.)

The ballistics on the 9mm duty ammo is superior to the .45 and its easier to carrier more ammo/mags.

But I just went with what I shot best, cold, outta the box.

Figured that was best estimate of being under stress.


22 posted on 11/06/2016 11:53:32 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Trump, effective govt. that will be great for crony "art of the deal" capitalists)
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To: PROCON

The book, “Unintended Consequences” by John Ross gives a pretty detailed reenactment of this shootout.


23 posted on 11/06/2016 11:54:21 AM PST by gop4lyf (Gay marriage is neither.)
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To: azcap

Agreed


24 posted on 11/06/2016 11:58:04 AM PST by L,TOWM (There is no longer a system to work within.)
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To: PROCON

Thanks for the thread, it’s a nice change as we wait for the formality of a Trump win to occur.

Oh, and the YouTube links are great, I’ve got them marked and I’m looking forward to watching them later.


25 posted on 11/06/2016 11:58:09 AM PST by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

The ballistics on the 9mm duty ammo is superior to the .45


you may get some blow back on that statement, from some people...

“A 9mm can at times send one to the morgue, or send one to the hospital...

But a 45 will take away one’s soul. and THEN send what is left of that one to the morgue.”

:-)

or so it is said.


26 posted on 11/06/2016 12:00:27 PM PST by MIA_eccl1212 (10 rounds 10 meters 10 seconds 10 centimetres)
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To: MIA_eccl1212

(10 rounds 10 meters 10 seconds 10 centimetres)

Damn FINE shooting !!


27 posted on 11/06/2016 12:06:15 PM PST by litehaus (A memory toooo long)
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To: AlaskaErik

“Never mind the fact that no law enforcement agency or military branch uses a revolver anymore.”

Well, maybe there is a difference between being a CCW guy and a cop. And no revolver or Glock can stop a bad guy cold. You can shoot a bad guy in the heart with a 44 magnum, and he’ll have enough residual blood pressure in the brain to keep shooting YOU for 10-30 seconds. 10 seconds can be a loonnngggg time.

Gus are not defensive weapons. They do not shield you. IIRC, the bad guy in this shootout was fatally wounded by one of the first shots fired...

FWIW, I point shoot a lot better with a revolver, particularly the 686 & J-frame I’m so familiar with. I’m also a lot more accurate out to 25 yards with a revolver than with a S&W Shield. I carry based on what works for me, not what works for a police department or SWAT team.

Not that SWAT teams are very professional:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP0f00_JMak&feature=youtu.be

IIRC, they put round into 5 houses that day.


28 posted on 11/06/2016 12:09:55 PM PST by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of infants, ruled by their emotion)
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To: azcap

This was most likely the begining considering these guys were Vietnam vets.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newhall_incident


29 posted on 11/06/2016 12:12:10 PM PST by Yogafist
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dabjfOUleA


30 posted on 11/06/2016 12:16:57 PM PST by packrat35 (Pelosi is only on loan to the world from Satan. Hopefully he will soon want his baby killer back)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

My next door neighbor growing up was a fbi agent he was there he was happy to make it home


31 posted on 11/06/2016 12:18:14 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom Its a Joke friends)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Some observations. 1. Glad I carry a GLOCK 26 or 19 with 2 spare mags. 2. Glad 9mm is inexpensive enough i can shoot a lot to get more proficient. 3. I need to up my dry fire practice A LOT. 4. it may not be possible to tell good guys from bad guys if you are late to the scene. 5. I do practice without my glasses and shoot well AT THE RANGE also sometimes shoot with sunglasses as I wear them a lot.
Was the mini 14 converted to full auto or did he just shoot fast? At least wasn’t an evil black AR (thus exposing the deliberate ignorance of gun grabbers)


32 posted on 11/06/2016 12:19:32 PM PST by bravo whiskey (Never bring a liberal gun law to a gun fight.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=786a8RHYxT4


33 posted on 11/06/2016 12:22:02 PM PST by packrat35 (Pelosi is only on loan to the world from Satan. Hopefully he will soon want his baby killer back)
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To: PROCON; All

1986 FBI Miami Gunfight - Firefight & Personal Reflections
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pE4XI1dNWk


34 posted on 11/06/2016 12:28:23 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: MIA_eccl1212
Well, that was the reason for the .38 special in the first place.

Some knockdown weight.

35 posted on 11/06/2016 12:28:50 PM PST by Bogie
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

Before I lost it in the boating accident I used to pocket carry a Taurus Ultralite .38 snubby. It’s the perfect concealed carry for 110 degree Arizona clothing. It’s my “you’re not going to herd me into the back room” gun.


36 posted on 11/06/2016 12:30:41 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Everywhere is freaks and hairies Dykes and fairies, tell me where is sanity?)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Ditto here on choosing the UL .38 snub for Oklahoma weather.


37 posted on 11/06/2016 12:52:45 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: AlaskaErik

>>Never mind the fact that no law enforcement agency or military branch uses a revolver anymore

Maybe in the US. However, we were in Nice in May, and the police are still using revolvers. I always thought their cavalry style lanyards so amusing.

This was a month of so before the truck killings on the Promenade de Anglais. I wonder if they won’t improve their police’s weaponry in the wake of that and other recent events involving Islamics in France.

The Police Nationale carry modern pistols, and are often carrying MP5s. This was the same trip where I saw a French Army fireteam in full battle rattle, including body armor and FAMAS bullpup rifles, wandering around near the Place Masséna. They were wearing berets, but their helmets were clipped to their gear.


38 posted on 11/06/2016 12:54:14 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
The black apologists like to forget the facts around Mark Essex. The authorities had to go around the possi comitatus act to get him when he was holed up in the hotel.
39 posted on 11/06/2016 1:03:04 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: PROCON

Good men would be utterly ashamed of what the FBI has become.


40 posted on 11/06/2016 1:12:23 PM PST by Uncle Sam 911
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