Would You Be The Hero During A Rampage Shooting?

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[B4Ranch]

Would You Be The Hero During A Rampage Shooting?

Posted on October 21, 2016October 17, 2016 by Ammoland

by Michael W LoosActive Shooter New Gunner Journal

USA –-(Ammoland.com)- This appears to be one of the most talked about situations, as far as concealed carry is concerned.

For this, I don’t believe there is a simple answer. But this is what I tell those who ask.

My job, my one and only job, the only thing I’m worrying about is to keep me and mine safe. That’s it. Nothing more, nothing less. If shooting starts, living in Condition Yellow I know where exits are. I know where elevators, staircases and escalators are.

And I’m getting me and mine out. Period.

Now that may sound crass to many. It may sound cold and detached, but that’s it in a nutshell – and I don’t owe anyone an explanation.

Everyone has the ability to defend themselves. As a matter of fact, it’s your personal responsibility to defend yourself – not mine, not the Police, not the Governments – it’s yours.

Now with that being said, after my family and friends are safe, then the decision to take on a shooter would depend on the circumstances at that time – and at that time they may be undefinable.

It is possible that an active shooter / rampage shooter situation could break out right in front of you and there may be an opportunity to end it right there – but what if you miss and are shot, how will your spouse, your children, your grandchildren make it to safety? Or will they be mowed down with the others?

The only situation I believe I would run into headlong, is an active shooter at a school (or anyplace children were present) where I know the Police have not arrived. Then?

I’m in. Devil be damned.

Stay Safe and Carry Responsibly,
Hipshot – NewGunnerJournal.

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “He said he didn’t dare shoot because of all the people running around and the shooter didn’t stand still.” <<

No $hit!
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[B4Ranch]

I can make repeated hits into a six inch circle at 150 feet using S&W Chiefs Special that I have owned since 1971. At 200 feet the circle needs to be 8 inches for consistent hits. That little gun and I are long time friends.

[Talisker]

How does this platitude answer the question at hand?

By questioning who your family is, who you'll protect. You're crouched down behind a barrier, and there's your kid and a stranger, and you bolt with your kid and leave the stranger to die unarmed. Or you're alone, except for the stranger.

What you call a platitude, others call the most profound question in the Bible: "who is my brother"?

[redcatcherb412]

————————I can make repeated hits into a six inch circle at 150 feet using S&W Chiefs Special that I have owned since 1971-—————

Amen, just as I and my S&W Mod 28 Hwy Patrolman are welded together since ‘73 and years on patrol and annual re-qualification shoots. I don’t have any idea how many have been down the barrel, but it’s in the thousands. You just can’t give up old friends like these for the sexy euro models.

[elteemike]

I agree with your approach...I’ve thought long and hard about how to react...And while nobody knows for certain how they’ll react when confronted with this type situation, my predetermined personal “doctrine” is much the same...

I carry for the personal protection of me and my loved ones...My CW is carried to cover my and/or our egress from the hot zone...

As for others, I am not without sympathy...However, given the relative ease of obtaining a weapons permit and proper training, I agree with the old line from Clint’s “The Unforgiven”, “Well he (they) should have armed himself (themselves)...”

The safety of strangers who would probably question why I “had to shoot that man” or why “couldn’t you have just shot him in the hand to disarm him?”, and might just as easily line up to testify against me as praise my actions are not my lookout...

It’s a dangerous world filled with evil people...Why not go armed if you can; and otherwise, accept the consequences of your choice...

[B4Ranch]

Back in the mid sixties I had a S&W Mod 27 3 1/2 inch barrel. I loved it, but I blew the engine in my truck and traded it to a mechanic for a rebuilt engine. Oh that gun was fun to shoot.

[cherry]

I honestly think I would...I’ve thought about many scenarios and what I could do....

[B4Ranch]

I hope you have a quarter million laying around that doesn’t have any to do tags on it because that’s where your lawyer will start.

Have you read all the comments in this thread yet? Start with #45

Wishing you well.

[Georgia Girl 2]

I totally agree. CC is for your own safety. Running to the sound of gunfire is for cops and warriors. I am neither. If the shooter is between me and the door well that’s another story. Otherwise I’m running for an exit.

[antidisestablishment]

My nine sons.

[Yaelle]

No, I would be huddled under a table in fetal position.

[KrisKrinkle]

“There is no correct answer.”

I disagree.

There's an old military saying: “No plan of battle survives contact with the enemy.”

As Mike Tyson said: “Everybody’s got a plan till they get hit in the face.”

I believe you won't know how you'll react until the time comes, no matter what your plan is.

[editor-surveyor]

You’re dodging the question.

Being your brother’s keeper doesn’t make you superman.

[Talisker]

You’re dodging the question. Being your brother’s keeper doesn’t make you superman.

Really? What am I dodging? The question is who is your brother? You won't even FACE the question. Deciding who your brother is, is the first tactic, not the last. Caring for people is always risky. If safety is your ultimate purpose, then dump your kids to a madman shooter, stay hidden, and run - after all, you can always make more. Otherwise, don't YOU dodge the question.

[editor-surveyor]

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You’re just spraying us with irrelevant nonsense.

In an active shooter situation, you do what you can, not what a feather-headed babbler thinks “Jesus” would do.
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[Big Red Badger]

Everyone has a plan ,,,until,,

So Many variables.

[SgtHooper]

IMHO, a huge problem would be engaging while the LEO arrive. You would likely be kilt by the LEO.

[marktwain]

“Popping off a long shot could make you part of the problem if you don’t get lucky.”

The operative word is “could”. It all depends on the situation. There have been about 20 recorded where the armed citizen stopped it or at least stopped the killing.

Each situation is different and has to be evaluated. But being former military and former peace officer, I will not simply run away.

The author pushes all the buttons to make his position sound reasonable. He has his family with him.

Well, how about when he does not? No, he is not required by law to get involved. But society has been better when people are willing to risk their lives for other people in trouble.

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2015/05/mass-killings-stopped-by-armed-citizens.html

[Talisker]

You’re just spraying us with irrelevant nonsense. In an active shooter situation, you do what you can, not what a feather-headed babbler thinks “Jesus” would do.

So you think Christians are feather-headed babblers? Because that is what you are literally saying. You are trying to trivialize one of the most profound Christian teachings, and you're doing it with all the contempt of a typical liberal sneer at Christianity.

Too bad you don't have the personal courage to own your own words, and admit you'd just watch out for your own butt and run for it. Instead you have to try to trash all of Christianity to pretend you're not a coward.

Oh I'm sorry, it's not cowardice, it's practicality. It's commons sense. Right? Then here's a question - why are the 911 first responders honored? Why are cops killed in the line of duty honored? Why are voluntary military personnel honored? After all, they signed a contract agreeing to dangerous work - for pay. So why honor them when they're killed? Isn't it the same as anyone dying on the job? They signed a voluntary contract. They were doing it for money. So what's the difference?

I guess the difference is how they personally felt about what you call "feather-headed babbling." And just think, those stupid fools thought so hard about "what Jesus would do" that they paid with their lives.

There's a "spray of irrelevant nonsense," eh? Those idiots brought their Christian philosophy to an active shooter gunfight (of whatever kind). What fools, to mix religion and the real world hard nose work of saving their own asses, right? Well, I guess its their own faults. Right?

[absalom01]

Well, of course no one ever knows until the flag flies, and it’s different every time, but the way I took the original article it was a boiled down version of the “ROE” discussion that’s been a part of every CCW curriculum I’ve ever seen.

Having thought about, and made at least some general ROE’s for yourself in advance of any trouble, is just good sense.

I’ve also found that in any real-world high-stress situation I’m about 30% of my average training performance, which is, so I’m told, not bad.

I guess I’m agreeing with your assertion that no one can know for sure until the time comes, but it’s still prudent to have a plan for different contingencies.