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Oxygen levels were key to early animal evolution, strongest evidence now shows
Science Daily ^ | 9/23/2016 | University College London

Posted on 09/23/2016 3:50:31 PM PDT by JimSEA

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To: Chainmail

Amazing that seemingly intelligent people would believe that all of this was just random chance.

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Are you saying that time travelers went back and did some biological engineering?

Actually, the only people I see bringing up random chance are they hecklers from the sidelines, not the people doing the methodical hard work.


21 posted on 09/23/2016 4:37:56 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Fungi

I saw a documentary on animals that lived during the Ice Age. They were incredibly, amazingly huge. I suppose that all those huge animals passing gas caused the climate to heat up and melt back those ice sheets.


22 posted on 09/23/2016 4:40:04 PM PDT by odawg
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To: Moonman62

“Are you saying that time travelers went back and did some biological engineering?”

Well, technically God is a time traveler, so sure, if it helps for you to think of it like that.


23 posted on 09/23/2016 5:04:52 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Moonman62

“Actually, the only people I see bringing up random chance are they hecklers from the sidelines, not the people doing the methodical hard work.”

Well, you can’t expect evolutionists to be eager to advertise the fatal weakness that their entire theory rests upon.


24 posted on 09/23/2016 5:05:40 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Fungi

Fungus (there’s only one of you right?);

You recognize that Quantum science espouses the concept that the is no such thing as chance( randomness) right?

Every lead points directly to the hand of God....


25 posted on 09/23/2016 5:07:27 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Manly Warrior

Please elaborate. There are millions of fungi.


26 posted on 09/23/2016 5:09:55 PM PDT by Fungi (Soy sauce, you want soy sauce? Enjoy your soy sauce with all the fungi in it!)
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To: Flavious_Maximus

Personally, I prefer to say that I don’t know what might be in a room that I’ve never seen inside of. How anyone could say otherwise strikes me as arrogance.


27 posted on 09/23/2016 5:12:17 PM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: JimSEA

http://considertheprobabilities.com


28 posted on 09/23/2016 5:17:06 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: Boogieman

We are a tiny spec in the universe. I think it’s very unlikely that the son of God was born on the earth. Let’s not be so self-centered and arrogant!


29 posted on 09/23/2016 5:44:04 PM PDT by fision
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To: Boogieman

Thanks for agreeing with the statement:

“Actually, the only people I see bringing up random chance are they hecklers from the sidelines, not the people doing the methodical hard work.”


30 posted on 09/23/2016 5:45:39 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Boogieman

Well, technically God is a time traveler,

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How do you know that?


31 posted on 09/23/2016 5:46:05 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Moonman62

If the life form is carbon based and the progressive planet geology is similar to earth, then you probably would be correct in saying than life would expand beyond the relatively simple single cell later in the geological history of the planet. Other life form bases require other conditions and may come to dominance earlier.


32 posted on 09/23/2016 5:46:52 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA

Every ‘form’ of life is the product of it’s environment. Change the environment, that ‘form’ will change.


33 posted on 09/23/2016 5:46:54 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: JimSEA

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34 posted on 09/23/2016 5:48:31 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Getready

Oxygen is essential to carbon based life and, ar the same time, highly reactive. The production of free oxygen by algae was consumed by iron in the oceans for millennia. Free oxygen allowed the expansion of carbon based life and could only take place after the formation of the banded iron deposits. This study, looks at the expansion of shallow ocean environments friendly to our life form.

Of course there are a multitude of other conditions that had to be met like relatively stable temperature and lower levels of volcanic and meteor violence.


35 posted on 09/23/2016 5:56:36 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Fungi
Evolution and a divine creator are not exclusive. I believe that many religious people are uneasy with the concept of evolution because it makes them feel smaller and God more remote over vast gulfs of time. But what would infinite God do, would he create a university that constantly had to be molded and shaped or would he create a universe where the very rules written into it naturally led to galaxies, suns, planets, and the rise of life and his children? When scientific study shows us how atoms naturally organize to more complex molecules and crystals, how the different states of matter interact together, it is natural to me that the rise of life is just further down that continuum of matter's self-organization.

And as life arises naturally, would not the immortal soul also naturally come into being as life evolves closer to the creator's image? What is 20 billion years to the Infinite, the Alpha and the Omega? Evolution and scientific discoveries do not diminish God, the fault is in us when our weaknesses lead us to feel small and unimportant in the vastness and age of the universe and the further revelation of God's greatness.

There are many accounts of how our greatest scientist become firm believers in a creator the more their research reveals to them and the more they realize how little they know and how awe-inspiring the universe is.

36 posted on 09/23/2016 5:58:56 PM PDT by WMarshal (Trump 2016)
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To: JimSEA

The available evidence seems to indicate that abiogenesis occurred once, mitochondria occurred once, and chloroplasts occurred once.

We also know that if there is another evolutionary pathway to complex life it didn’t occur here on Earth. We only see the one. What we observe in evolutionary biology astounds me, much the same as the observations that led to quantum theory.


37 posted on 09/23/2016 6:02:20 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Chainmail

Random chance had some impact on what you did today. When random chance is confined to exactly what mutations an organism has in its DNA that is the major function controlled by chance alone. As to the survival of that mutation and it’s being passed along to future generation, the role of chance become very low in comparison to the advantage or disadvantage that mutation confers on its organism. If it works, it is retained and passed along. If not, it is discarded. That reflects the limited role of chance — pretty small.


38 posted on 09/23/2016 6:08:37 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Moonman62

Because, any being that would fit the definition of “God” exists independently of His own creation, and that creation includes time.


39 posted on 09/23/2016 6:15:53 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: JimSEA

“That reflects the limited role of chance — pretty small.”

I think you’re seriously underestimating what chance is accomplishing in the theory. Without the millions or billions of random mutations to provide new versions of genes, there is no development in the organism. Natural selection merely selects the most “fit” variations, but it is the random chance that provides the raw material, the variations themselves.

There’s also random chance involved in the conditions those variations will encounter, which are key to whether they will be selected or not. So there is random chance dictating both parts of the process. Once you abandon any intelligent intervention in the process, what is left but random chance?


40 posted on 09/23/2016 6:22:16 PM PDT by Boogieman
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