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Windows Vista Installation and Windows Updates
9/6/2016 | Me

Posted on 08/06/2016 2:48:30 PM PDT by ducttape45

I am posting this thread in hopes maybe someone out there may have a better solution to the problem I am about to describe.

I am working on a laptop for a friend. It's older (Acer Aspire 5520), but it actually runs pretty well. The system was designed for Windows Vista and I had to run a restore on the system because it got infected. I took the system back to factory condition and here's where things get difficult.

As we all know with the advent of Windows 10 and the draconian lengths Microsoft is going to in order to forcibly install it on millions of computers, updates services for all of the older operating systems is hit and miss at best, downright maddening at worst. At least with Windows 7, after jumping through a few hoops Windows Update will eventually work. However with Vista jumping through those same hoops doesn't work. I've tried just letting the Windows Update session do it's thing but after over 15 hours of letting it run it stays stuck on "Checking for Updates......."

What I've resorted to doing is scouring the Internet for a list of all the updates for Vista that Microsoft put out so far (after SP 2), comparing that list with all of the updates I've installed on my Windows 7 machine, then accessing the Microsoft Update Catalog and downloading whatever hits I get, using those KB codes, and downloading the updates I find for Vista.

Afterwards I tried installing those updates in succession but Windows won't let you do that without restarting after every single one. I found a batch file online that tries to install the updates in succession but again, no success.

I then hit upon a method, quite by accident, where I bring up the Task Manager, then go to the Services section. I order the list so Windows Update Service is near the top. I then start the batch file and every time Windows Update Service starts, I stop it. I do this through the entire installation process. So if I have 30 updates to install, I stop the service 30 times when each of the installs starts.

It's weird, but it works. I wish I could find a way to make the Windows Update service stay off but it starts running when each new update starts.

My query is this. Is anyone out knowledgeable enough with Windows Vista and the crap Microsoft is putting us through to keep our older OS's updated to know if there is a better method? All of the websites I find online have fixes that no longer work, and Microsoft has ended the MrFixit program that used to be able to fix problems like this.

With Windows 7, if I empty the SoftwareDistribution folder in the Windows directory that usually does the trick when Windows Update acts up. That same method does not work with Vista. So here I sit, manually programming in what will probably be well over 200 updates all because Microsoft wants to make our lives more difficult because we won't buy into Windows 10. And before anyone chastises me about fixing a Vista computer, hey, it's not mine and I'm doing a friend a favor, ok? Chill, no wisecracks.

Has anyone out there heard of this problem, and would be willing to share your fix if you have one. Thank you.


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To: rarestia

No. it means CRITICAL issues will be patched. But non-criticals ? zip.


41 posted on 08/07/2016 6:23:42 AM PDT by Salgak (You're in Strange Hands with Tom Stranger. . . .)
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To: ducttape45

It’s actually an application. Then again, the surviving numbers of XP and Vista in the wild are rather low...


42 posted on 08/07/2016 6:25:31 AM PDT by Salgak (You're in Strange Hands with Tom Stranger. . . .)
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To: rockrr
The laptop FINALLY started downloading updates just this morning. I must have installed 6-70 updates manually before it finally took off on it's own. I don't know what update fixed the problem, or if it finally started working on its own, but it's downloading updates as I type this out.

Thanks for the kind words.

43 posted on 08/07/2016 6:25:54 AM PDT by ducttape45 (Obama's legacy - Christianity outlawed, America shamed, morality destroyed. Need I say more?)
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To: norwaypinesavage
I was a big DOS man in its day. I still use old function keys in my every day job (Cntrl C, Cntrl X, Cntrl V, etc, etc). Even in programs as complicated as AutoCAD those control functions come in handy.

The DOS versions I liked the most were 3.3 and 6.2, though I remember DOS as far back as 1.1.

Reminds me of a song "Those were the days my friend, we thought they'd never end......"

44 posted on 08/07/2016 6:29:01 AM PDT by ducttape45 (Obama's legacy - Christianity outlawed, America shamed, morality destroyed. Need I say more?)
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To: AbolishCSEU
Fortunately the laptop has all original equipment and I was able to restore from the original one in this one.

What is this "Intel RST" you mentioned? I don't know that I'm familiar with that.

45 posted on 08/07/2016 6:31:12 AM PDT by ducttape45 (Obama's legacy - Christianity outlawed, America shamed, morality destroyed. Need I say more?)
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To: AbolishCSEU
I have a separate hard drive that I have Windows 10 on. I have several Windows 7 OEM DVDs so I loaded it on a spare hard drive and upgraded to 10 on that one alone.

I did as you said and opted out of all of the services at the beginning, but I've told there are other places, after the installation, that a person should visit in the Settings and continue opting out of services one doesn't want or need. I'm still researching that.

Cortana is a major nuisance that Microsoft foisted upon us. I've found that it can't be completely turned off, just "disabled" in some way. Have you heard that?

46 posted on 08/07/2016 6:36:08 AM PDT by ducttape45 (Obama's legacy - Christianity outlawed, America shamed, morality destroyed. Need I say more?)
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To: publius911
This Acer Laptop came with Vista. I'm sure W7 could be loaded but I would only do so if the laptop was mine and if I upgraded the memory. It only has 2GBs of memory and as such will barely run Vista let alone W7 or 10.

Also, this laptop doesn't belong to me. It belongs to a female coworker who is not tech savvy and doesn't want anything but the original software on it. Hence my drive to keep it at Vista. Thankfully Windows Update started working this morning so hopefully I'll be able to get it done today.

47 posted on 08/07/2016 6:40:15 AM PDT by ducttape45 (Obama's legacy - Christianity outlawed, America shamed, morality destroyed. Need I say more?)
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To: TChad
I'll bookmark that second link you provided and check it out. Thankfully WU started working this morning. For how long I'm not sure but hopefully I'll be able to finish this job before the end of the day.

Thanks.

48 posted on 08/07/2016 6:41:56 AM PDT by ducttape45 (Obama's legacy - Christianity outlawed, America shamed, morality destroyed. Need I say more?)
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To: Conan the Librarian
As I mentioned in other posts, my friend is not tech savvy and preferred the laptop remained with the default software. She said she never had problems with it until a virus infected it and afterwards it never worked well again.

If it was my laptop, I would indeed upgrade the memory and upgrade it to Windows 7, but that's not my call. I'm putting Vista back on it, update Java, Flashplayer, install Microsoft Works, and afterwards call it good.

49 posted on 08/07/2016 6:45:44 AM PDT by ducttape45 (Obama's legacy - Christianity outlawed, America shamed, morality destroyed. Need I say more?)
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To: jimbo807

It’s for a friend/coworker. For a friend I’ll do whatever it takes to give what they want, and in this case, she wants the laptop back in its original condition. That I’m gonna do but give her a few extra things along with it; Microsoft Works, Adobe Reader, Flashplayer, Shockwave, Windows Live Email, and maybe a few other things.


50 posted on 08/07/2016 6:47:45 AM PDT by ducttape45 (Obama's legacy - Christianity outlawed, America shamed, morality destroyed. Need I say more?)
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To: ducttape45

Hi! I’m on Vista right now. Love it. Very few problems since Jan 2009.


51 posted on 08/07/2016 6:50:36 AM PDT by Concentrate (ex-texan was right. And Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election.)
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To: Salgak

Not true. My Vista is still supported, albeit occasionally.


52 posted on 08/07/2016 6:52:14 AM PDT by Concentrate (ex-texan was right. And Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election.)
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To: Weirdad
I agree with you on Vista. Once fulled patched and updated it looks a lot like Windows 7 and runs fairly well. In it's infancy it was a turd, no doubt, but in the end it's not bad.

The trick I was trying with Task Manager and running a batch file to install the updates didn't work quite as well as I thought. I resorted to finally installing updates one as a time, manually, though I still had to turn off WU in the task manager before I could install the next update.

Something must have fixed the problem because the laptop is finally running WU this morning. I had to let it run during the evening but it finally gave me a list of updates this morning and it's loading them as I type this out.

53 posted on 08/07/2016 6:53:04 AM PDT by ducttape45 (Obama's legacy - Christianity outlawed, America shamed, morality destroyed. Need I say more?)
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To: ducttape45

Best thing is what you’re now doing. Let it update itself. Let them take care of their machine: Windows defender, service packs, etc.


54 posted on 08/07/2016 6:56:49 AM PDT by Concentrate (ex-texan was right. And Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election.)
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To: ducttape45

After that, run superantispyware.com, spybot search and destroy, Ccleaner (piriform.com), and others if you ask. That will get you running properly. Best of luck! BTW, all free.

However, it might be better for your friend to pay for the pro versions, because people never run their programs voluntarily. They neglect maintanance.

(Like my family. :) Daddy has to do it!) Better to be updated and protected in real time and automatically.

You’re welcome! :)


55 posted on 08/07/2016 7:04:41 AM PDT by Concentrate (ex-texan was right. And Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election.)
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To: ducttape45

When all is settled, don’t forget to defrag!

This info will cost you a 10 dollar donation to FR.com!

You’re welcome! :)


56 posted on 08/07/2016 7:07:22 AM PDT by Concentrate (ex-texan was right. And Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election.)
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To: ducttape45

OK if I understand you correctly, you’re trying to get Windows Update to stop coming on automagically all the time? If not sorry...

Try running services.msc from the Run button. Look through the list and turn Windows update to OFF. It should usually have 3 settings, auto, manual so it comes on only when needed and off.

You can also check at the Black Viper site for optimal settings.

http://www.blackviper.com/

I’ve used his settings for XP for years, usually works very well, and frees up some system resources, due to less than necessary services running all the time.


57 posted on 08/07/2016 7:45:05 AM PDT by Paleo Pete (Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.)
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To: Salgak

Security vulnerabilities and critical operational patches are really all that matters in a near-end-of-life OS. What are you expecting? Feature upgrades?

I’m amused at people who grouse about Microsoft for having a “bloated” operating system yet bemoan their newer operating systems for being “featureless.” A la carte operating system provisioning is becoming more popular, not less. We all have it with our phones. Why should our desktop operating environments be burdened with unnecessary features if they don’t have to be?


58 posted on 08/07/2016 8:41:23 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: ducttape45

Sounds good! I was happy with Vista myself. Didn’t have a lick of problems with using it.

All in all, the Acer 5500 series was a great run of computers.


59 posted on 08/07/2016 10:13:41 AM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: rarestia

Sorry, but vulnerabilities at the “high” and “medium” level are every bit as exploitable as “critical” vulnerabilities.

MS only patches Crits on Vista.

As for “ala carte”, Windows has had that for years. You merely uninstall unwanted features. Well, you COULD, until Windows 10 Anniversary Update. That will reinstall what you remove. . .


60 posted on 08/07/2016 10:32:15 AM PDT by Salgak (You're in Strange Hands with Tom Stranger. . . .)
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