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Aircraft Carriers Could Be Obsolete in the 2030s Even With F-35s
War is Boring ^ | August 5, 2016 | Dave Majumdar

Posted on 08/06/2016 6:32:17 AM PDT by C19fan

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To: C19fan

What better way is there to project power than a carrier? We don’t have fixed airbases providing worldwide coverage. Carriers may be more vulnerable now due to evolving counter measures but that means defenses must be updated and improved. Carriers aren’t going away just yet.


61 posted on 08/06/2016 9:37:01 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Let us now try liberty.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Well, it wasn't a "carrier" but the USS Cole succumbed to a speed boat.

The USS Cole was in port in Yemen. It should never have been there. It was a stupid decision motivated by politics rather than protecting our personnel.

Your 'Carrier Strike Group' is part of the problem. You put a $13 BILLION carrier out there, but to protect it, you have to put subs, destroyers, etc. that amount to at least in the neighborhood of another $BILLION. Since Hussein has shrunk the military, do we still have these resources and the manpower to operate them?

Our ability to project power around the globe is currently enhanced by carrier strike groups. However, like most great nations in decline, the battle between "guns versus butter" will shape our military force and capabilities. The welfare state is forcing us to rationalize a decline in our military forces. The costs are driving the mission rather than the other way around. Carriers will be a target of cost reductions. There is no doubt about that. But what does that to for our security?

What happens if a suicide bomber on a hijacked tanker makes a run at a carrier? It's not an inconceivable scenario.

How does the tanker penetrate the carrier strike group? A hijacked tanker wouldn't get within 50 miles of a carrier.

62 posted on 08/06/2016 9:39:35 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
A hijacked tanker wouldn't get within 50 miles of a carrier.

I pray you are correct.

It was a stupid decision motivated by politics rather than protecting our personnel.

But I also believed that you answered your own question; of course we'll NEVER have anyone (Madam Benghazi) that doesn't have the best interests of our service personnel in a position of power.[sic]

63 posted on 08/06/2016 9:49:21 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("We re going to raise taxes on the Middle Class!" - HRC Aug 3, 2016)
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To: Red Badger

Perhaps air/sub-orbital craft with a new propulsion energy source which allows global transit endurance; and, also coincidentally allows employing rail gun and laser weaponry???


64 posted on 08/06/2016 10:09:43 AM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: PIF

Specs call for 1000 full energy shots before replacement needed in a deployable weapons system.


65 posted on 08/06/2016 10:17:41 AM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: azcap

Russian tanks versus German tanks argument—build lots of cheap tanks operational life 2 weeks, or limited amount of expensive tanks expected to operate 6 months.


66 posted on 08/06/2016 10:24:20 AM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: Ozark Tom

Specs call for ... however last I read they had not passed one tube per shot yet.


67 posted on 08/06/2016 10:29:22 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF

Incorrect. The rail gun works if you have enough power. The new DDG 1000 has that. And future versions , are being built) will have the rail gun.


68 posted on 08/06/2016 10:34:44 AM PDT by ro_dreaming (Chesterton, 'Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It's been found hard and not tried')
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To: ro_dreaming

Never said anything about power just about the metallurgy involved in the firing rails which tend to deform after one shot and must be replaced.


69 posted on 08/06/2016 10:54:24 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: kabar

I understand ‘why’ we do it. But if the president isn’t prepared for the consequences of losing 5,500 sailors — and this one isn’t — then the Navy needs to trim its sails accordingly. Just by pushing a CVBG through contested waters you are essentially saying, “go ahead, make my day.”


70 posted on 08/06/2016 11:31:19 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: kabar
The USS Cole was in port in Yemen. It should never have been there. It was a stupid decision motivated by politics rather than protecting our personnel.

Mistakes like that are always how wars start. Political decisions are made because the Navy lacked at-sea replenishment assets for the local DESRON (another political decision) and so the ship is exposed in a hostile port with a relaxed defensive posture. "BOOM". Politician's should have the good sense to resign after an event like that.

71 posted on 08/06/2016 11:37:47 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: PIF

Performance has reached a point such that competing weapons systems contractors, vying through connections within the US government, are trying to kill the program before their systems become obsolete. Power delivery to feed the rail-gun is seen as the critical issue. Follow the money issues brought up in this exposition. Something else for sale to foreign governments Clinton style?

http://sputniknews.com/military/20160628/1042048105/railgun-electromagnetic-cannon-missile-pentagon.html

http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/06/can-navys-electric-cannon-be-saved/128793/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3624563/Is-America-s-railgun-doomed-Claims-superweapon-shoot-projectiles-six-times-speed-sound-abandoned-cheaper-alternatives.html#comments

http://nges.insidedefense.com/inside-pentagon/pentagon-has-shifted-emphasis-toward-new-hypervelocity-gun-over-rail-gun

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/naval/ships/2016/01/10/railgun-navy-fanta-naval-zumwalt-ddg1000/78443016/

http://phys.org/news/2016-06-navy-electromagnetic-cannon-sights.html


72 posted on 08/06/2016 11:50:46 AM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: Tallguy

I would substitute the term decency in the place of common sense.


73 posted on 08/06/2016 11:50:57 AM PDT by sport
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To: Ozark Tom

If Bill could sell it, Hilary will, but for more money ... She’d sell herself if she could make a profit ...


74 posted on 08/06/2016 11:57:32 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: kabar
What makes these fixed airfields less immune to missile attack than a carrier group

A lot of things. But mostly the fact that you can't sink an airfield.Turkey stopped the 4th ID from transiting their country when we attacked Iraq.

Because Turkey did not view toppling the Iraqi regime to be in its interests. Many Sunni countries would, however, support toppling the Iranian regime.

75 posted on 08/06/2016 12:27:15 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
We use carriers to go in and out of the Straits of Hormuz. It drives the Iranian’s crazy.

Of course it does and the Iranians may not pose an imminent threat to a carrier group. But they could eventually. And China and other near peers certainly pose a threat. Not worth the risk.

76 posted on 08/06/2016 12:28:29 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

Eventually Iran will hit a carrier in the straits. Recent reports state they now have the missiles capable of hitting and sinking an American carrier.


77 posted on 08/06/2016 12:33:35 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

One thing I learned rather quickly is that ‘recent reports’ don’t equate to capability in the military arena at all. Ever notice that ‘recent reports’ don’t ever state the cards up our sleeve?


78 posted on 08/06/2016 4:29:33 PM PDT by GreyHoundSailor
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To: Tallguy
But if the president isn’t prepared for the consequences of losing 5,500 sailors — and this one isn’t — then the Navy needs to trim its sails accordingly. Just by pushing a CVBG through contested waters you are essentially saying, “go ahead, make my day.”

You exercise your rights or lose them. I am surprised at your reaction. We are becoming a nation of pansies.

79 posted on 08/06/2016 5:24:01 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Tallguy
There were other places the USS Cole could have received in port services. Bahrain is one. Aden is not a safe port.

The deadly attack on the USS Cole in Yemen in October was the result of "many mistakes," according to a congressional report, which asserts that a U.S. policy of improving relations with terrorist-plagued Yemen outweighed possible dangers to U.S. personnel there.

80 posted on 08/06/2016 5:29:48 PM PDT by kabar
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