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Posted on 08/06/2016 6:32:17 AM PDT by C19fan
You are exactly right the navalized swing-wing f-22 would have provided stealth, range, performance, weapons load but instead we have the puny f35 that can’t do anything well. Our carriers will have to get within spitting distance to launch.
We use carriers to go in and out of the Straits of Hormuz. It drives the Iranian’s crazy.
What makes these fixed airfields less immune to missile attack than a carrier group? And the idea that the Gulf nations would allow us to operate from their soil is more complicated than you might think. Turkey stopped the 4th ID from transiting their country when we attacked Iraq. Many of the gulf countries would have problems with our operating from their soil. The Saudis would probably be the best bet given their facilities and hatred of Iran.
I think all of Japan’s were underwater carriers by the end of the war.
It would also trigger a massive response up to and including nuclear.
I’d rather have a bunch of small carriers rather than one large one.
“silent diesel submarines”
How do they silence those diesel engines? Are they turbines that run on diesel oil?
Carrier groups sometimes operate inside the Persian Gulf. I think it’s insane. The USN might be the Muhammad Ali in this fight, but it isn’t smart sticking your chin out there for the other guy to take a swing.
During the Gallipoli Campaign in WW1, the Turks created layered minefields to block the way to Constantinople (the Allied objective). The Anglo-French battlefleet lost a dreadnought and had a few others damaged. This forced the Brits to dump their invasion force on the easily blocked Gallipoli peninsula instead of the doorstep of the Turkish capital.
The Brits should have bought out their obsolete pre-dreadnoughts and lined them up single file, with their modern ships last, and run the barrages. It’s what Lord Howard, Nelson or David Farraghut would have done. But the Royal Navy had become risk-averse.
This isn’t the WWII era. There are satellites all over the earth that see all and tell all. You can’t hide a carrier or a carrier task foce group which is spread out over several square miles of ocean. What you can’t hide is vulnerable. I am talking about a real combat situation against someone other than the powerful Zimbabwe or Lichtenstein. Hell, you are not even unobserved in your own back yard.
I think Aircraft carriers will be quite useful for several decades. The offensive and defensive capabilities of an aircraft carrier group are spectacular.
They may very well end their dominance of the oceans launching unmanned drones, but it is going to be a while before they reach that point.
Billy Mitchell was a proponent of carriers. He demonstrated their use against the battleship.
Hussein 0bama andMadam Benghazi have spread enough weaponry around that even local warlords could have something to sink or seriously damage a carrier.
We occasionally send carrier groups thru the Strait of Hormuz into the Persian Gulf as we do other straits around the globe to assert the right of passage guaranteed under international law. If Iran were to launch an attack against a carrier group, it would be committing national suicide.
?We also transit the Taiwan Strait and the other areas in the South China Sea. There is always risk that someone might miscalculate, but we can't cede the control of international seas and waterways to anyone.
I am not sure, but the pictures we see of aircraft carrier groups have very little distance between ships. Just a guess but it is possible that the group would be functionally the same with a footprint of 500 or 1,000 miles on a side.
The aircraft carrier group is one of the most destructive machines invented by man.
Iran, for instance, could be returned to the 7th century by one or two carrier groups. All 300 hydroelectric dams gone. all power plants erased.
Iran would become a world lit by candles.
Nonsense. How much do you know about how a carrier strike group operates, its defensive capabilities, etc. A local war lord is not going to get anywhere near a carrier strike group.
A supercarrier, which is the centerpiece of the strike group and also serves as the flagship for the CSG Commander and respective staff. The carrier is commanded by an aviation community captain.
A carrier air wing (CVW) typically consisting of up to nine squadrons. Carrier air wings are commanded by an aviation community captain (or occasionally a Marine colonel).
One or two Aegis guided missile cruisers (CG), of the Ticonderoga class—a multi-mission surface combatant, equipped with BGM-109 Tomahawk missiles for long-range strike capability, each commanded by a surface community captain.
A destroyer squadron (DESRON) commanded by a surface community Captain (O-6) who commands the escort destroyers, with two to three guided missile destroyers (DDG), of the Arleigh Burke class—a multi-mission surface combatant, used primarily for anti-aircraft (AAW) and anti-submarine (ASW) warfare, but which also carries Tomahawk missiles for long-range strike capability. A destroyer is commanded by a surface community commander.
Up to two attack submarines, usually of the Los Angeles-class used to screen the strike group against hostile surface ships and submarines, but which also carry Tomahawk missiles for long-range strike capability.
A combined ammunition, oiler and supply ship (AOE/AOR), usually Supply-class (T-AOE); provides logistic support.[7]
Your 'Carrier Strike Group' is part of the problem. You put a $13 BILLION carrier out there, but to protect it, you have to put subs, destroyers, etc. that amount to at least in the neighborhood of another $BILLION. Since Hussein has shrunk the military, do we still have these resources and the manpower to operate them?
What happens if a suicide bomber on a hijacked tanker makes a run at a carrier? It's not an inconceivable scenario.
Thanks for the info. That is one big package of whoop-azz.
Wow.
“What happens if a suicide bomber on a hijacked tanker makes a run at a carrier? It’s not an inconceivable scenario.”
It would be a torpedo strike amidships executed as the ship crossed the defensive boundary. Break the keel and watch it sink like a stone.
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