Posted on 06/27/2016 3:06:31 AM PDT by Jonty30
When the federal government’s bureaucrats and head administrators ignore the Constitution and every law down from there, they aren’t going to obey contract law.
Well Jack Black, you’re certainly a gloomy guy that’s for sure. Got any ideas? Or, are you just gonna resign yourself to stew in your pot of misery?
Our 72 year old pastor speaks highly of you. But wanted me to remind you that neither susan collins or ollie snowe are ladies.
He is the only one still alive of the original gang of five.
Maine does not have the votes to secede, but Maine does have the firepower to secede.
Maine’s muzzies are not a problem and now that the Governor has given permission to use deadly force to end the drug problem it won’t be a problem a year from now either.
Have a great day.
OK, I see why we have a problem, you are thinking a second Southern States seceding, I am not, I am only concerned with secession for Maine.
We have no inclination to sue, we know we do not have the votes, so...................
To big an area, to many states. Go back and study what it took to get the original 13 to agree.
No, Maine does not have the votes, but we do have the firepower to secede. Living under a clinton presidency simply is not an option.
You guys in NY got first choice.
I think agreement would be easier at this point. The difference is that we have a great Constitution as a starting point and potentially an ending point. I think many states would give up on wants to avoid opening other parts of the Constitution to debate.
In the UK the question didn’t come up. There was no chance that Brussels would send the EU Army against the English rebels.
Well, just as an aside, there were many Indian nations alive and thriving when the settlers arrived. History portrays that poorly. But kingdoms rise and kingdoms fall at the whim of powerful forces.
Look what unfettered immigration did for them.
Three of the reasons I disagree:
First only 13 states, second they had the Declaration of Independence to refer to for why they wanted to be free, third and this is a big one, third, they all knew the Declaration of Independence and what they were trying to avoid a government doing.
Today, 99.9% of those who want a Constitution of the States, that I have met, have never read the entire Constitution. Most think it, the CC, will only deal with taxes and term limits. They do not understand what an Open Convention can do and that the liberal states will have people there too.
No, we will stick with either Donald Trump or Civil War/Secession.
Maine is lucky, we have Canada on our north and most of our west, and we have an airbase that Russia would love to lease. That kind of insures us that if it comes to the union breaking up, due to civil war, AKA anyone but Donald taking the oval office on Jan 20, 2017. That we will have the time we need to ratify our, already in the works, Constitution and get our infrastructure back up and running and our government in order.
Let’s hope the R convention goes smoothly and that the general election goes smoothly and honestly as well.
Then you don’t understand. It is the amendment process, period.
I do not expect the R convention to go smoothly, not with the establishment hoping to see Trump fail and Trump more focused on winning under the written rules than on playing the rest of the games associated with this mess. I also do not consider it possible that the general election will be anywhere near honest. The democrats will cheat massively. It's our job to (1) work as poll watchers to reduce their cheating, and (2) work to get out the vote and put the election outside the margin of fraud.
I'm not sure when or how Maine got into the conversation.
I am truly humbled to spoken of kindly by a man of wisdom.
You are undoubtedly correct in your assessment of the Senators in question. And your Governor is an impressive person, who certainly says something good about your State.
I pray that you and the other people of the Great State of Maine find your way forward toward restoration and prosperity.
Thanks again for the kind words.
Good point, and it's having the same effect on the American Nation as well.
Sorry, my post does read that way. I guess I am a bit resigned about the prospects for real change in a good direction at this point.
One would have thought if people were going to rise up it would have happened already.
Here’s something I wrote on the topic in early 2013:
There is a big difference between a civil war and a coup d’etat.
A civil war implies too groups that have enough size and military might to fight each other. They can, of course, be very lopsided affairs. It would appear that the US Military completely outclasses the Taliban, but then again it has apparently been very difficult for the US Military to vanquish them.
A coup is a much simpler thing. The Army comes in and deposes the current ruler and life continues. Could a Coup take place in the USA? Your comments suggest that one could, but it seems quite unlikley to me. The military higher ups are too smart to want to own the problems that the POTUS has: budget deficits, the debt, American’s declining standard of living, etc. Because of our long history as a Republic I don’t think a General would have any legitimacy as the ruler, which probably makes it less attractive to pull off a coup.
As for an actual civil war, that is interesting to contemplate. There have been many fiction books written that include that idea. In most of them have some break-away state or states pull out of the USA. (”Middle America” series, Chappaqua Uprising, Boston T. Party’s Molon Labe. Ross’s Unintended Consequences, the latter volumes in Matt Braken’s Enemies Foreign and Domestic trilogy are set in a post-civil war America where the USA has fractured into several different political entities. Heading deeper into the darkness there is the explicitly racist future civil war scenario in The Brigade trilogy by Covington, and a matching book where the Latino’s revolt in LA and form Azatlan.)
Personally I’m in agreement that State vs. State conflict like the first American War Between the States is unlikely, and most of the scenarios that call for groups to organize into units as big as we did in the civil war, as in many of the books above, that just seems highly unlikely.
Tom Chittum’s book “Civil War II” is not a novel or fiction, it’s an analysis of how the USA is headed to civil war. His experience in Rhodesia and Yugoslavia informs his views, and he argues that no matter what kicks it off societies always shatter along racial and ethnic and religious lines. His view of CWII is therefore various racial groups in different areas fighting each other.
Archy has said for years that the scenario most likely is a dirty war similar to those in South America where factions fought in the dark, but everyone pretended things were normal in some ways in the day. Disappeared people, assassinations, sabotage. Factions will include governments, but also para-governmental groups, small cells of dissidents, unions, gangs.
Bracken’s article on the dynamics of the opening phases of such a war is still perhaps the most detailed and well thought out scenario that anyone has come up with:
CW2 Cube: Mapping the Meta Terrain of Civil War 2
Lots of speculative fiction and some interesting non-fiction has been done on this topic.
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I probably view such scenarios as even less likely now than I did three years ago. Things like super-computer enabled electronic surveillance, smart phones, drones, etc. mean it’s going to be harder and harder to ever do anything like that.
While Maine was not mentioned, when looking at the map of the United states to avoid looking at Maine, as a secession state is a bit blind.
So I brought Maine into the discussion.
Then YOU don’t understand. The 2nd is merely a comment on the pre-existing right of the people to keep and bear arms. It doesn’t say “...shall not be infringed, except by Amendment, whim of dictator, Congress, or what have you. It says “...shall not be infringed.”
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