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To: AFreeBird
All of creation just for us? I don’t buy it.

Just shows what a truly great and loving God we have. The anthropic principles (from oxygen levels, to gravity, to water vapor, to the expansion of the universe) are all so fine tuned as to suggest this IS the place God chose for humanity.

5 posted on 06/22/2016 1:00:04 PM PDT by The Citizen Soldier ("It's always good to be underestimated." ~Donald Trump)
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To: The Citizen Soldier

... all so fine tuned as to suggest this IS the place God chose for humanity . . .
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Agreed. Additionally I have often thought that God does not duplicate His work. Not one leaf is like another, no two fingerprints are alike. He is in the business of carefully crafting originals. Why then would He make another world like this one? I believe that everything He does is of a unique nature including the earth and mankind.


18 posted on 06/22/2016 1:19:17 PM PDT by punknpuss
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To: The Citizen Soldier

“The anthropic principles (from oxygen levels, to gravity, to water vapor, to the expansion of the universe) are all so fine tuned as to suggest this IS the place God chose for humanity”

Sorry, that is romantic and poetic and all, but in reality, if an evolutionist was correct, and we came into existence because of our environment, then exactly where else would you -expect- to find us?

It is an extremely self centered point of view that we require conditions “X”, so clearly everything was made as it is, solely to support us. It is just as logical to think that life that evolved in this environment would be perfectly fine tuned for this environment because it couldn’t evolve in a place that is hostile to it.

For example, we couldn’t have evolved as we did on a planet with an ammonia atmosphere, so of course we will be found on an earthlike planet.


21 posted on 06/22/2016 1:23:03 PM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: The Citizen Soldier

I agree with your observation. The Lord went out of love to create us a planet to live on


81 posted on 06/22/2016 3:41:46 PM PDT by southland ( I have faith in the creator Republicans freed the slaves. Isa.54: 17)
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To: The Citizen Soldier; AFreeBird

“Just shows what a truly great and loving God we have.”

Amen. He is, and this universe is fine-tuned for us.

The universe to Him is just His handiwork, and the physical wonders an expression of the greater wonders that He is.

In the same way are all the spiritual wonders of our existence, which we experience from moment to moment.

The vastness of the heavens give us something to be gaze at in wonder, and to contemplate. They give us a sense of God’s power, and of eternity. They stir our souls.

And God gave His own Son for us. It is nothing by comparison that He would create this universe for us.


92 posted on 06/22/2016 7:17:14 PM PDT by Faith Presses On (Above all, politics should serve the Great Commission, "preparing the way for the Lord.")
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To: The Citizen Soldier
All of creation just for us? I don’t buy it.

Just shows what a truly great and loving God we have. The anthropic principles (from oxygen levels, to gravity, to water vapor, to the expansion of the universe) are all so fine tuned as to suggest this IS the place God chose for humanity.

Yes.

Scripture says, The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. (Ps 19:1)

The exciting advances in physics and cosmology during the past two decades strongly indicate that the Universe is not random. It seems to be designed, and very carefully so. Big hint: The Hubble Ultra Deep Field.

The UDF is impossible without a super-finely tuned matter density gradient and alpha opacity function that is absolutely perfect. It does not require the Anthropic Principle. (AP is the last, desperate, refuge of the cornered atheist.) The UDF is basically God showing his handiwork to us.

Our universe has basic minimal rules and structure (a closed simulation, like a video game.) Ask a physicist how elegant and minimalist it all is. Gravity is the ugly duckling of the four forces, seemingly a standalone force, with weird behavior at cosmological distances. (Dark Matter is a design hack.)

This means that there has to exist a higher level of reality somewhere (running the video game). Call this Heaven, or whatever.

And that in turn implies there is no way for you to reach Heaven on your own. It would be like a video game character trying to step out of the screen. (Secular Humanists and Gene Roddenberry think this way.)

Therefore you must be pulled up. No way to get there on your own. Instead, God shoved His own hand inside the screen, over 2000 years ago, to grab us and pull us up.

But why? Why does He offer His hand down to us? Dunno. Grace. (Aside: The difference between Christianity and Buddhism is that I think God wants friends to chat with. The Buddhist wants to merge with the Godhead and lose self-identity.)

God is definitely watching you. Why? The video game analogy. But there is an even better way to prove it: Observation is the key to Quantum Mechanics. We are living inside a closed QM system with a collapsible wave function. So who collapsed it? Answer: Whoever observed us from outside the box. So, like Schrödinger's cat, we are alive and not dead. We are literally alive because of Him. (That's a pun.) Yeah, I'm oversimplifying a bit. Observation is the key to everything. I say 'I think, therefore I am,' and since I am aware of myself right at this moment, therefore somebody must be observing me doing it. QED.

God wants a relationship with you. Why? Because you are hardwired for it. You feel it. You are an instinctive seeker. No other animal thinks this way.

That's basically it.

God gave you eyes and a brain for a reason. He wants you to see and marvel at His handiwork, which is an expression of His unfathomable Glory. And He wants us to glorify Him as separate independent creatures who exist apart from Himself.

Pick up an NIV Bible and start with the Gospel of John. He really gets it, the gestalt, the head space, the intuition, the heart, better than anybody. God wants a relationship. With us. Love is the key. Our minds cannot grasp the infinite so He had to downsize it to something finite that we could understand. Basically, Christ is a hack to make it all work, the same way that Dark Matter is a hack. (I use the word 'hack' in the following sense: Not an error or a mistake, but a necessary special modification to the rules to make everything work right.)

Go see the following YouTube video, The Hubble Ultra Deep Field in 3D by Deep Astronomy. Watch this video carefully. Or just look out your window. Then pick up a Bible, start with the Gospel of John, and go from there.

94 posted on 06/22/2016 7:34:27 PM PDT by Gideon7
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