It’s something like the Hotel California . . . you can check in but you can’t check out.
I think Lincoln settled that one. It’s like Hotel California. Once in, you can never leave.
These issues were pretty much resolved in 1865.. Unlike the Articles of Confederation, the US Constitution is not a compact of the states, but a compact of the people of the United States. Your arguments were debated for a long time and finally settled by a horrific war. Reason suggests not repeating same.
That’s what the Civil War was about.
All states have always had the right to secede from the Union. Many states, such as Texas, retained that right explicitly in the very articles by which their legislature approved entering the Union.
The Declaration of Independence declares the natural right of people to secede from any political unit of which they have been a part. The existence of that natural right is among the “self-evident truths” listed in the Declaration.
Lincoln WAS a tyrant and a mass murderer. He made war against states for exercising a natural right declared in the Declaration. Thus, Lincoln nullified the Declaration.
The “Union,” ever since its victory over the Confederacy, has been a tyrannical empire, claiming many absurd prerogatives—such as the claim that it is “indivisible.”
The people living in it have enjoyed many personal freedoms, but those freedoms are not based on the rights of the people. Rather, those freedoms have been tolerated by the tyrants running the country while they went about the slow business of turning the country into an overt tyranny.
Try to get rid of your cable provider.
Texas could have a case. They actually joined the union as a sovereign nation....a merger with terms and conditions that could be voided...
Because we are a union. To leave breaks the union
After the federal government goes bankrupt the US will split into about 6 different countries.
we have a procedure for states leaving the union. the last time any state tried to use it we had the civil war.
Say, for example, California. I would be comfortable with a 50 or 100-mile wide stretch starting at the Pacific going east, with Los Angeles at the south and San Francisco at the north. Leave the rest of what is called California today in the United States and secede from what's left; they can call it Brownville (after the current Governor). Or we could call the remainder Fremont.
Basically, we vote the LA to SF portion off the island, on a bigger scale. They don't think they need us, anyway.
I'm sure other people could come up with similar proposals.
Go ahead. Leave.
I hope your social security is all paid up, because I will be using it.
Thanks. Bye.
So, legally you can’t leave?... by who’s laws? Easy solution, the state passes a law that says the Fed Gov’t laws are illegal-null-and-void, and the state can write a law that says it can leave - that simple!
You leave, and suffer the consequences, which equals civil war against a bunch of pussies, dykes and trannies. All other soldier in the military will want to side with the state. done!
When the states ratified the constitution, several (including VA and NY) included provisions saying that they “declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the people of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression.” So basically then, the way to exit the union would be the same as you enter it: a ratification by the legislature of the state. People will say that Lincoln settled this issue by his coercive war, but in the end the Fed gov simply had the seceding states renounce their right to secede. But then, if they never had the right to secede in the first place (as Lincoln claimed), how can they reject a right they never had?
A State wishing to secede should first make DAMN sure that an overwhelming super-majority of its citizens want such a course of action, then just announce it as a foregone conclusion and await the fallout.
There is no official procedure for secession so new ground would be broken with each vote and declaration. It would be a wild ride!
Of course, the whole thing might fall apart when Washington sends the bill for that State’s share of the national debt, due and payable immediately.
The people of the United States formed political bonds with one another. No state, county, city, school district or homeowners' association" has the power to dissolve those bonds.
You are a citizen of the United States. Your neighbors cannot cancel your United States citizenship for you no matter what percentage of them might want to do so. Only you can cancel your citizenship.
You have constitutional rights under the United States Constitution. Your neighbors cannot deprive you of those rights no matter what percentage of them might want to do so. Only you can waive your rights as an individual under the Constitution.
You're exceptional. You're an American!
To early to leave. Still plenty of free money from the fed.
“Why is there no set process for a state to leave the union?”
There is a process for calling a convention of the states and voting to abolish the federal government. That’s really close to states leaving the union.
Musings should include could a state be financially able to incur the debt that
would be imposed if it tried to leave the union? My guess is most if not all couldn’t
do that on their own.