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To: camle
"...you need to prove the absence of a squibb load..."

Nope. The state needs to prove the likely PRESENCE of a squib load. Burden of proof. Innocent until proven guilty. Reasonable doubt.

They've got a hole in the floor their own detectives on scene photographed. The hole indicates a shot, deflecting towards where the victim was positioned.

There is absolutely no reason to suspect a "squib". Nothing anywhere, no evidence, indicates there was one.

What I'm TRYING to do on this thread, is get ideas....threads to pull on. I think my hypothesis when held up against the evidence. I'm trying to determine what OTHER holes are in the DA's case.

I know what my "boss" needs to do. I do this every day. What I'm trying to do is help my "boss" where he's clueless.

And while FR is a "political web site" in one sense, there are probably hundreds of gun enthusiasts that could add something here if they see the request and want to.

I hope you're not suggesting that the only posts here should be political in nature. Because that's not been my experience. If that has changed, I'm sure someone will alert me to that fact.

But thanks for you kind help and encouragement.

94 posted on 05/02/2016 4:25:20 PM PDT by Chasaway (Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?)
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To: Chasaway

I am no Expert, nor do I claim to be at all ... ideas and observations from sources including TV...

First thing you might want to do is Cut that piece of Floor up. It may be worth more than all the information that you are asking about. If the floor was “First” contact of the Projectile, what is it’s make-up? If it is a Conglomerate what was the actual material of the initial deflection?
When you are talking 2,800 to 3,250 ft per second there is no real measurable angular distance at 10 ft (basically 5 ft if you halve the distance)

The height of the barrel, the height of impact and angles of initial/post trajectory. (This is basic Math) What did the projectile hit? (Concrete, as in Cement or a piece of Aggregate in the Concrete), that Aggregates Shape, Hardness and Depth beneath the Linoleum as well as covering Cement would have more influence on the projectile than distance.. etc.

It can be proved as possible or impossible without even knowing exact velocity, velocity in that short of a distance even if halved by a 90 deg change in direction is still a avg minimum of 1400 fps so you need the weight of what was left of the projectile, was any of the projectile left in the floor, shape of the projectile (prior to entry) entry point (as in flesh or bone) of the victim and shape of projectile at post.

If it was a CSI TV show, It would start with the floor, then the angles then the projectile and fill in the middle with what was determined to be possible. Then the Autopsy, Testimony and other Evidence... it is a puzzle

I AM ONLY SUBMITTING THIS TO GIVE YOU IDEAS, I REPEAT I AM NOT AN EXPERT AT ANYTHING MENTIONED ABOVE.

I wish you luck and if you just need someone to think about alt what ifs and ideas just ask.


135 posted on 05/02/2016 9:21:15 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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