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Professor Frenkel: Why Shouldn't We Drop Algebra From Our Education System?
Science 2.0 ^ | 4/26/2016 | Alex Alaniz

Posted on 05/01/2016 11:46:48 AM PDT by JimSEA

Mathematician Edward Frenkel was promoting his New York Times bestseller “Love and Math.”

Social scientist Andrew Hacker, on the other hand, caught my attention immediately after the New York Times published his article arguing for the elimination of algebra from our education system. We don’t need it anymore, he claimed,. It does us far more bad than good.

Hacker is a hit now. His anti-math book, “The Math Myth: And Other STEM Delusions” is holding its own against “Love and Math,” despite Frenkel’s book being translated into more than a dozen languages and Frenkel’s indefatigable popularization of the power, passion, and beauty of math.

Is Hacker a doublethinking Orwellian demonizer, or does have a point?

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One of the biggest problems for math is that very few us get shown the big picture by master mentors when we’re young the way Edward Frenkel was. Demonstrating an innate talent and passion for mathematics early on, Frenkel recounts in his book how world-class mathematician Israel Gelfand took him in. Every Monday night for nearly 50 years on the 14th floor of the Moscow university building Gelfand “would welcome all undergraduates, talented graduate students and brilliant professors… These meetings, which often lasted well into the night, were more like a social event than a traditional seminar, where a speaker would go to a blackboard and talk for an hour. He [Gelfand] would walk the aisles, stop and chat with people, interrupt and ask questions, pull a member of the audience to the blackboard and ask them to repeat what had just been said or to find a mistake in it. His interest was always in the development of the next generation of mathematicians." Not surprisingly, many of Gelfand’s former students and seminar participants are now prominent mathematicians.

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TOPICS: Education; Society
KEYWORDS: algebra; education; math
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To: PapaBear3625
You can shout at the paper all you want, call it "racist!" and any other names that come to mind. The paper doesn't care. You either "get it", or you don't. Your answer is either correct, or it isn't. It makes no allowances for how "oppressed" you feel

It's easy to get pissed about this stuff, and I feel your pain.

But you're being unreasonable.

There are high schools in the US where the average IQ is 85. The AVERAGE.

The system we have created, or allowed to be created, says that every student who is not severely mentally ill or who does not die of homicide or a drug overdose CAN and SHOULD complete 12th grade and receive a high school diploma, and that when the number achieving this is less than 100%, it's because of bad teachers, inadequate resources, or the wrong curriculum.

People with IQs of 80-90 do not fail Algebra II or trigonometry because they feel oppressed. They do not fail because they accuse their teachers of racism.

They fail because their schooling should have ended after fifth or sixth grade. They are bit players in a macabre morality play, scripted by white wannabe saviors who believe that, if only badwhites are stigmatized and goodwhites make up for imaginary "racism", then the five year plan will be fullfilled.

The systematic accusation that blacks are failing because the educational system is racist is correct, after a fashion. Except the racism that the system stinks to high heaven with is the racism of goodwhites who lack understanding, or who are afraid to face, the consequences of the Frankenstein monster that THEY have created.

The students with IQs of 80-90 who go to high school every day and are enrolled in math and science classes where they don't belong and in which they cannot achieve are not the cause of systemic failure - they are the victims of a failing social experiment which, since it cannot be modified is taking all American schools down with it.

101 posted on 05/01/2016 1:33:11 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Cruz never could have outfought Trump. I never knew, until this day, that it was Romney all along.)
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To: Talisker
I loved math until I hit calculus.

I didn't mind calculus. The symbols and terminology were confusing but the basic idea wasn't so bad.

Don't get me started on trigonometry, though. I really hated that.

102 posted on 05/01/2016 1:36:30 PM PDT by x
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To: orinoco

Not to mention engineering. If you don’t like bridges and buildings falling down, and aircraft falling out of the sky, that sort of thing, maintaining the inviolability of mathematics and right and wrong answers is required. Keep the SJW Leftists out of it, please, thank you very much.


103 posted on 05/01/2016 1:37:01 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: shelterguy
When they get a career job at a pizza shop a customer might ask them which will give them more pizza, one 16 inch pizza or two 8 inch pizzas.

Believe it or not, I witnessed a live performance of that recently. I was with my wife and she asked the worker exactly that question

The answer was... two 8-inchers.
The logic?

Two 8-inchers gives you 12 pieces.
The 16-incher gives you only ten...

I just bit my tongue and said, we'll take the 16-incher.

104 posted on 05/01/2016 1:42:12 PM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: marron
Why teach math when H1b’s are so easy to hire?

I think you hit the nail on the head with that!

105 posted on 05/01/2016 1:43:24 PM PDT by llevrok (Lies are born the moment someone thinks the truth is dangerous.)
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To: jimpick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8XMeocLflc


106 posted on 05/01/2016 1:54:23 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Live Free or Die.)
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To: MUDDOG
On the plus side, it'd kill the Morlocks.

That is a good one!

107 posted on 05/01/2016 1:59:12 PM PDT by fireman15 (The USA will be toast if the Democrats are able to take the Presidency in 2016)
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To: x
I didn't mind calculus. The symbols and terminology were confusing but the basic idea wasn't so bad.

LOL, the idea of "a number approaching infinity" stopped me in my tracks. I thought at the time that that made as much sense to me as "a refrigerator approaching the Constitution" or "the color red approaching a trombone." I had zero context in why a number would behave in such an alarming fashion, rather than simply remaining steady in its designated value. Not to mention the zen state my mind went into in trying to imagine ANYTHING "approaching infinity." I didn't learn calculus in that class, but I sure learned a lot about meditation.

108 posted on 05/01/2016 2:00:27 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: shelterguy

That’s so easy I can do it in my head. The answer is the one who pays.
See the guy who pays always gets more pizza unless he opts out and takes instead the last slice.
It’s an economic theorem.


109 posted on 05/01/2016 2:07:08 PM PDT by MIA_eccl1212 (10 rounds 10 meters 10 seconds 10 centimetres)
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To: Mikey_1962

“Who needs grades 6 through 12?”

‘cause they’re still learning to read...


110 posted on 05/01/2016 2:07:24 PM PDT by PLMerite (Compromise is Surrender: The Revolution...will not be kind.)
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To: BlueLancer
Same here. As a matter of fact, I felt that I was good enough at math/algebra/trigonometry (etc) that, when I arrived at the Naval Academy, they asked me if I wanted to be in their first class of Calculus with Computers. I was full of enough piss-and-vinegar that I said "Of course".

Total flameout! I don't know whether it was the combination of trying to learn the calculus at the same time as computers (or what passed for computers in 1972) or it was just simply beyond my understanding. Functions did not make sense and "imaginary numbers" made the final drawing stroke across my throat.

I'm still pretty good at math and the like, but my "math ego" certainly took a critical hit from calculus.

Yep - see my post 108. A good teacher is CRUCIAL.

111 posted on 05/01/2016 2:08:21 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: JBW1949

Not to mention computer programming.


112 posted on 05/01/2016 2:11:30 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: thoughtomator
pie r squared?

Or, in the case of a pizza, PiD2/4

113 posted on 05/01/2016 2:13:52 PM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: FreedomPoster; EEGator

And Danica not only looks smashing in that dress, she has written some math help books focused on middle school and high school math. Pre-Algebra: Kiss My Math; Geometry: Girls Get Curves; Algebra: Hot X Exposed; General: How to Survive Year 6 through 9 Math without losing your mind

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114 posted on 05/01/2016 2:18:45 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Mikey_1962

We have no need for STEM in the ‘hood!


115 posted on 05/01/2016 2:20:58 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it." --Samuel Clemens)
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To: IronJack
I was good until Integral. I got Differential, after a couple of detours. And I get Integral conceptually, but I can't integrate anything but the simplest equation.

That's understandable. It's why there are entire math books containing just integration formulas.

Surprisingly, though, even simple differentiation/integration can be quite useful. Specially in coordinate geometry, which for simple engineering and surveying are all over the place.

116 posted on 05/01/2016 2:22:19 PM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: thoughtomator

pie r squared?

No, corn bread r squared. Pie r round.


117 posted on 05/01/2016 2:23:16 PM PDT by B4Ranch (https://www.22kill.com/)
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To: Paladin2

That is about it now a days in school with common core.


118 posted on 05/01/2016 2:24:06 PM PDT by jimpick
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To: rstrahan
Uhhh.... Business math is algebra, just an applied niche of algebra.

Algebra is the basis for all math since it starts with basic add/subtract, layers in multiply/divide, fractions then gets fancy with these to teach powers, parentheses, equations and such.

Trigonometry, geometry and calculus all use algebraic functions but carry it into different concepts and utilities.

I can't imagine any education omitting algebra. That is equivalent to omitting learning to read.

119 posted on 05/01/2016 2:26:13 PM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: JBW1949

Algebraic methods are key to electrical engineering equations....

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I would argue:

Algebraic methods are key to everything.


120 posted on 05/01/2016 2:30:54 PM PDT by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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