Posted on 03/10/2016 5:56:47 AM PST by Rumplemeyer
Barack Hussein Obama Senior was the first African student to attend the University of Hawaii.
Miki Booth, who called herself “The Birther Princess” posted her son Alan’s
Hawaii Birth certificate to her blog for comparison.
https://www.google.com/search?q=alan+booth+hawaii+birth+certificate&safe=off&rlz=1C9BKJA_enUS644US644&hl=en-US&prmd=nisv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjqj6K-48XLAhVU-WMKHaUgC0MQ_AUICCgC&biw=1024&bih=653#imgrc=RgOraYgYjszqvM%3A
The parents’ racial designations on Alan’s birth certificate are “Caucasian Japanese and Caucasian Hawaiian.” Are Japan and Hawaii “races?”
Hawaii has always been the most racially diverse state with the most mixed race persons (the 2010 census lists 23% of the population as non-Hispanic white and 24% as of two or more races) and they have always accepted whatever racial designation a person chooses.
For all we know, when Stanley Ann Dunham Obama was filling out the paperwork, a hospital clerk asked her to name the father’s race and she said “he’s from Africa” and the clerk wrote “African.”
In any event, the father’s race has no bearing on constitutional eligibility to be president and there is no federal or state law that requires the use of a birth certificate to establish identity and citizenship.
Once again, if anyone is alleging forgery or document tampering, those actions are CRIMES that are investigated and prosecuted. They are not resolved by civil lawsuits. Evidence should be taken to law enforcement and/or a prosecuting attorney.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3407407/posts?page=266#266
Now he’s called Roman Obama Ekua Abeme, right?
You’re obviously confused and your confusion has reduced you to mindless repetition.
If anyone has potential probative evidence of criminal activity, they can take that evidence to law enforcement agencies who will investigate. If the alleged evidence looks solid, law enforcement will submit the evidence to a prosecutor who will convene a grand jury and give a panel of average American citizens the opportunity to review the evidence to see if it is solid enough to indict anyone.
The issue of Article III standing was a major obstacle challenging Obama’s eligibility via civil lawsuits. The people who would have had standing to sue, did not file suit or choose to enter any lawsuit as co-plaintiffs (McCain, Palin, Romney, Ryan or the Republcan Party on their behalf).
There are no issues of standing on the criminal side of the judicial system.
The bottom line for me is that I would have liked to have had a panel of average American citizen grand jurors review the evidence to see if they felt that it was probative enough to hand down an indictment.
Why do you need to badger people to do your thinking for you? All through this episode you keep asking, ‘who is this?’
Do you need new glasses?
The Hawaii DOH says that parents listed their own races.
“Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father’s race and mother’s race are supplied by the parents, and that “we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be.”
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/
In 1962 Kenya held a census. They sent out instructions for filling out the form.
“Column 5. Race – Write European, Arab, Somalia or African, etc. Asians must write Indian or Pakistan.”
http://www.hist.umn.edu/~rmccaa/IPUMSI/CensusForms/Africa/ke1962ef_kenya_enumeration_forms.en.pdf
Is it unreasonable to assume that a black man from Kenya would list his race as African?
Miki Booth, who called herself “The Birther Princess” posted her son Alan’s
Hawaii Birth certificate to her blog for comparison.
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1981. Doesn’t count.
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For all we know, when Stanley Ann Dunham Obama was filling out the paperwork, a hospital clerk asked her to name the father’s race and she said “he’s from Africa” and the clerk wrote “African.”
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Speculation, not evidence.
Obama is the only human being on Earth to have a 1961 Hawaiian birth certificate with a racial designation of “African”. Show me otherwise, and I’ll eat my words. I’ll even accept 1964 or earlier as proof.
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In any event, the father’s race has no bearing on constitutional eligibility to be president
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True. The only thing it does in this instance is prove that the BC produced in 2007 is not authentic, since it is not a race that existed in 1961 when describing a black man.
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and there is no federal or state law that requires the use of a birth certificate to establish identity and citizenship.
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Considering all the times I and my family have had to produce BCs for much lesser things, e.g. my son applying for a Federal engineering job, this has got the be the most stupid oversight on the part of our government, assuming it’s true.
This is all a moot point anyway. 7 freaking years. We may have been able to avoid the whole thing if we could have united against this travesty of a Presidency, but evidently we couldn’t because of the same attitudes that I see right here, right now.
You’re obviously confused and your confusion has reduced you to mindless repetition.
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No, this is the essence of your argument - Begging the Question. It is a circular argument, hence my repetition in ridiculing it.
Your argument, as I perceived it:
For there to be true document forgery, we would have known it because it would have been brought up in a criminal court. But since it didn’t get brought up in a criminal court, there was no true document forgery.
That is a circular argument. Criminal proceedings do not prove or disprove wrongdoing. Wrongdoing may be done and not brought to criminal court.
Maybe I got the logical fallacy wrong, maybe it’s the “no True Scotsman” one. At any rate, it’s a circular argument that doesn’t move the discussion forward.
Is it unreasonable to assume that a black man from Kenya would list his race as African?
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Yes, in 1961 it is. That’s why it’s an anachronism.
Negro was not a derogatory term in 1961. Black people called themselves Negroes, as did most everyone on the planet in some form or other (”Negro” in almost all Romance languages means “black”).
As it stands, if that document is authentic, Obama is the only human being on Earth who has a 1961 Hawaiian birth certificate with “African” listed as a racial designation.
If you have proof otherwise, feel free to show me and I’ll eat my words. I’ll even give you from 1964 back to 1959.
Hawaii had a Republican Governor from 2002 until 2010 during the time when Obama was first running.
She was quoted as saying:
“You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was actually in the mainland campaigning for Sen. McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think it’s, again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. It’s been established. He was born here.” —[former] Governor Linda Lingle (R-HI)
You are correct. In 1961 it was an insult to call them black, as explained to me by a black employee in Texas. They preferred to be called Negro.
Except Obama Sr. was not an American black. Negro was an American term.
In 1961 the Federal government told its computer coders that if a birth certificate had the parents race as colored or black or brown or Afro-American that they should code it as Negro if the parent was born in the United States. But if the parent was not born in the United States, the coder should code it as other non-white.
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Why would the Federal government make that distinction?
“Black people called themselves Negroes, as did most everyone on the planet in some form or other (”Negro” in almost all Romance languages means “black”).”
Except in Kenya where blacks were referred to as Africans. As shown by the government’s census instructions.
Roman Obama Ekua Abeme's hometown is Mongomo, Equatorial Guinea http://s666.photobucket.com/user/WildHighlander57/media/post%20to%20FR/8829d96d-6d28-4c1f-b168-56135bc5ff83_zpsszrrcvyq.png.html?sort=3&o=2 
Roman Obama Ekua Abeme's mom's name is Julia Abeme Ekua (NOT 'Anna' or 'Ann') http://s666.photobucket.com/user/WildHighlander57/media/post%20to%20FR/79e264b0-e1a3-4336-95fe-b2cfce712518_zpszolfbe4x.png.html?sort=3&o=0 
Here are some Obama ladies, Obama, Anna Mrs. in Seattle & Obama, Ann S. in Honolulu http://s666.photobucket.com/user/WildHighlander57/media/post%20to%20FR/Polk%201961%20Directory_zps2w1tzvpd.png.html?sort=3&o=3 
http://s666.photobucket.com/user/WildHighlander57/media/post%20to%20FR/ReverseSeattleDirectory1961_zps5bg2130d.png.html?sort=3&o=1 
http://s666.photobucket.com/user/WildHighlander57/media/post%20to%20FR/HonoluluPolk1961_zpscg0uwdij.png.html?sort=3&o=4 
The ladies in these pictures sure don't look African http://s666.photobucket.com/user/WildHighlander57/media/post%20to%20FR/PossibleAnnAnnaHonolulu_zpsuglkgz4s.png.html?sort=3&o=2 
http://s666.photobucket.com/user/WildHighlander57/media/post%20to%20FR/Anne%20and%20Barak%20at%20party_zpsgubqleei.png.html?sort=3&o=5 
Neither Anna Mrs. nor Ann S. nor Dock Asian ladies, nor Anne at the party was Roman's mom. What does that do to this scenario: Prominent activist and an actress were 0’s parents, Anna and BHO SR were Roman’s parents, Roman was the real BHO II, Stanley Ann was just a nanny, Actress' cousin Mary T babysat 0 in Seattle, Roman went to Boston, then with BHO SR to Kenya, Stanley Ann got 0 to Boston where he stayed with Activists' older sister.
Looks like maybe I underestimated you. That group image which includes the Kenyan and Stanley Armour Dunham appears to be from 1971 when the Kenyan visited Hawaii. Some of that group have been identified as people who were at the Nachmanoffs in early 1961.
Julia Ebeme Ekua could be a contender. Fascinating find. Now you need to look for her history.
Yes, ‘white’ could even be a Filipino...could be the wife he told the INS he was separated from who was living in the Philippines...So without the maiden name of the mother for whom Mary babysat, we simply do not know.
Begin at # 284 , - check out graphics and text.
Thank you, Wildhighlander57. Good research and a lot of hard work there.
Isntvthe original document we saw spelled afriKan. Which was used along the Dutch spice route (Kenya included )
PS, see photos at # 294.
Didn’t we beat that horse to death over and over at that time and were did it get us, hmmm???
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