The first eight of nine presidents were born under British Rule, foreign influence. It was until after 1845 or so we started to have President born in United States.
President not born in the United States.
George Washington
John Adams
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
James Monroe
John Quincy Adams
Andrew Jackson
Andrew Jackson
William Henry Harrison
A lot of smart, reasonable people honestly believe that history suggests that the Founding Fathers used the term “natural born†as an expansive definition of citizenship, that is, as a way to make certain that people born overseas to American citizens would have the full rights of other American citizens.
It is estimated that there has been hundreds of thousands of children born aboard to military and support personal over the last 44 years. We should not trust these scum? If only they were born in America so we can ensure their loyalty.
At this moment there are over 150,000 military personal alone deployed. Thousands live with their families and have babies. Not only military but business leaders, doctors, students studying abroad, and countless loyal Americans might have a child overseas while ministering, studying, working, curing disease, making new discoveries, and traveling. I suppose none of these children are loyal to the United States? Give me the child of someone that lived off the government tit their whole life. The child of a crack head over someone raised by an American saving lives overseas.
Now you done did it.... !!!
Injected some common sense into another brither thread....
Justice Swayne, United States v. Rhodes, 1 Abbott, US 28 (Cir. Ct. Ky 1866)
Born into the allegiance is the concept you should familiarize yourself with here. The children of soldiers are born into full allegiance of the nation and their parents are in a foreign land in the service of their nation and have not surrendered their allegiance in the least. Such a child is clearly a NBC in accordance with the common law understanding of natural born citizenship.
It has not one thing to do with loyalty. If US citizen parents want their child to be a natural born US citizen then have them on US soil. It is akin to a birthright.
Oh, I am not a lawyer. I just know what natural born means and I have known that I am not natural born before Cruz took his first breath on Canadian soil. And Cruz knows he is not a natural born citizen of the US. He is playing fast and loose with the Constitution for self serving purposes.
And nobody needs a judge or congress to decide, it is not rocket science.
‘Give me the child of someone that lived off the government tit their whole life. The child of a crack head over someone raised by an American saving lives overseas.’
The original intent was to ensure undivided loyalty to USA. So the founders set the ‘natural born citizen’ requirement for the president and VP.
One can reasonably expect undivided loyalty from a person who is subject to USA jurisdiction only (born in USA to USA citizen parentS), all others (foreign born, non-USA citizen parent(S) ) are subject to other jurisdiction and have divided loyalty.
Certainly no one can be certain a nbc will be a good president/VP, such as Hillary Clinton the liar, traitor. And no one can be certain that a non-nbc will be a bad president - although in obama’s case, he absolutely proves that our founding fathers were right - obama has divided loyalty due to his Kenyan roots and he is destroying our Constitutional Republic!
You are being emotional and making assumptions that the nbc requirement is useless in ensuring a good president -
how do you know the nbc child of a crack-head will be a bad president and the the child of someone saving American lives outside USA will be a good one?
NBC is only the first requirement to ensure undivided loyalty, the other qualification and qualities are up to us to choose from the candidates. If the nbc child of a crack-head has risen above it all to run for the presidency, he/she can become the legitimate, the constitutionally eligible president! The one who fails the nbc requirement, but who might be the best president ever for USA, will/should honor and abide by our constitution by not running for the presidency until the constitution is properly amended (Cruz could have done this but he won’t!)
Like career military or veterans preference hire bureaucrat?
If you don't like the Constitution, get it amended.
The first eight of nine presidents were born under British Rule, foreign influence. It was until after 1845 or so we started to have President born in United States.
The Constitution specifically provided for that: "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;