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Here's How F-15s Practice Intercepting Errant Civilian Planes for the Super Bowl
popularmechanics ^ | Feb. 1, 2016 | Chris Clarke

Posted on 02/03/2016 8:55:57 AM PST by PROCON


A huge influx of general aviation air traffic is expected to hit the San Francisco Bay Area during the first week of February in anticipation Super Bowl 50. While you're watching football on Sunday, the Air Force will be watching the skies in case an errant pilot wanders into the protected airspace surrounding the big game.

But it takes practice to intercept a slow moving Cessna with a big twin-engine supersonic fighter jet. The California Air National Guard and the Civil Air Patrol (CAP) have been busy preparing should such an encounter be required. CAP's California Wing spent an entire day last week flying two Cessna 182s low and slow around Fresno to help U.S. Air Force fighter jet F-15 crews maintain their proficiency. Another practice flight is scheduled for later this week over Oakland.

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My question would be:

Will these errant civilian planes be shot down if they don't comply?

How about if they're over populated areas?

1 posted on 02/03/2016 8:55:57 AM PST by PROCON
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To: PROCON

You’d think a flock of small drones bearing plastic explosive would be much more effective as a terror weapon against an open stadium full of people.


2 posted on 02/03/2016 9:01:34 AM PST by nascarnation
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To: PROCON
I do a little golfing right next to the runway at FAT (Fresno Air Terminal).

This let's me watch the 15s light burners and climb out. The ground shakes. Very impressive.

3 posted on 02/03/2016 9:02:26 AM PST by stboz
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To: Taxman

FYI darling!


4 posted on 02/03/2016 9:02:27 AM PST by Daffynition (*Security, confiscate their coats. Get them out of here. It's 10 below zero out there ~DJT)
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To: stboz

To me, there is nothing that says “Power” more than a full afterburner takeoff!

When I served on a carrier, I used to see F-14 Tomcats take off in full afterburner, and even got caught behind a jet blast deflector (JBD) once (NOT FUN) when one went off.

But boy, if you love loud, powerful, ground shaking things, afterburners do that for me!


5 posted on 02/03/2016 9:05:57 AM PST by rlmorel ("Irrational violence against muslims" is a myth, but "Irrational violence against non-muslims" isn't)
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To: PROCON

My question is - is the NFL paying the US Government for F-15 patrols to keep their events safe?

After all, the NFL is a protected monopoly, and they can afford to pay their commissioner $45 million per year.

not something taxpayers should be paying for.


6 posted on 02/03/2016 9:09:37 AM PST by PGR88
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To: stboz

That is a trip.
When I 1st got to NAS Jax we used to go sit at the end of the runway and watch and for sure listen to them do touchengos,think they were F4s back then?.....Fun


7 posted on 02/03/2016 9:11:03 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: stboz

I worked on the Klamath fall Airport 2000-2002 which is home to the Oregon Air National Guard 173rd Fighter Wing. They were prohibited from using afterburners except during the first week after 9/11...


8 posted on 02/03/2016 9:20:41 AM PST by shotgun
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To: nascarnation

Or maybe a couple of P-51s or A-1 Skyraiders!


9 posted on 02/03/2016 9:21:23 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: PROCON

I wonder when the first supersonic drone for consumer use will hit the market.


10 posted on 02/03/2016 9:22:36 AM PST by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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To: PROCON

An A-10 is slow enough to track with a Cessna, and has a couple of tools to eliminate the threat if necessary.


11 posted on 02/03/2016 9:24:32 AM PST by lurk
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To: shotgun
Here is what I usually hear.............

"Tower, November blah, blah, blah, Mike, ready for takeoff, runway niner left".

"November blah, blah, blah, mike, you are cleared for maximum performance takeoff, report ten thousand feet".

Forty seconds later, .........

"Tower, ten thousand feet"

"November blah, blah, blah, mike, contact departure @ 128.yaddah.....And thank you for making our day."

"Tower, departure @ 128.yaddah, and you're welcome"

12 posted on 02/03/2016 9:31:25 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: blackdog

That’s cool. I worked on a lot of airports both civilian and military. The loudest planes I was ever around were Navy EA6-B’s at Whidbey Island Naval Air Station. I always assumed it was because they use maximum thrust for takeoff. The base had 2 -8,000 foot crosswind runways but they only used 1,000 feet on each end to replicate carrier landing/takeoffs. The worse times were at the beginning of each month when they would get their fuel store filled and every plane was constantly going up. Toward the end of the month when fuel was in short supply they would only have a handful of planes going up so those day were great.

At Kfalls (10,300 feet) the Air Force F-15’s would roll about 5-6,000 feet before lift off and landings they would take the whole 10,300. The F-15’s were very quiet by comparison.


13 posted on 02/03/2016 9:51:49 AM PST by shotgun
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To: lurk
I think the tactic for the fighters is to "dirty up" with flaps down at least some, reduce airspeed as much as possible, and then fly an "S" course behind it in pairs. The pair basically scissors so that one of them is always pointing at the target aircraft.

No need to shoot anyone down, merely buzz right over them with about 350 knots closure and pull up violently just as you get to it. The downward wash off the F-15 would swat a 172 out of the sky.

14 posted on 02/03/2016 10:10:30 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: shotgun
NASA used to assign T-38's to space shuttle pilots for their own use and to keep current. The pilots would fly them to visit family or friends on weekends.

We had a huffer, so they used to come into Charlotte a lot on their way up the east coast for refueling and a start with the huffer.

Those T-38's are so light they go from sea level to 30,000 feet in one minute.

15 posted on 02/03/2016 10:29:20 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: PROCON

I was at a GWB rally in 2004 and a small plane entered the airspace around the stadium. It was intercepted by a fighter plane but it was much too late. If the pilot had had bad intentions he could have fired a missile at the podium or something. The small plane was escorted away and the pilot lost his license for a while.


16 posted on 02/03/2016 10:41:00 AM PST by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: lurk
An A-10 is slow enough to track with a Cessna,

Stall speed for A-10 is 138 mph. The Cessna is less than half that.

17 posted on 02/03/2016 11:38:27 AM PST by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Jet Jaguar
JJ, you have any idea of the engagement criteria?

Will they shoot an aircraft down whose in violation?

18 posted on 02/03/2016 5:09:54 PM PST by PROCON (Proud CRUZader!)
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To: PROCON; markomalley; DYngbld; TADSLOS; xsrdx; big'ol_freeper; Mark17; mikefive; JDoutrider; ...

Active Duty ping.


19 posted on 02/03/2016 5:14:57 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: nascarnation
You'd think a flock of small drones bearing plastic explosive

No, there are gun drone control laws now. Can't happen.

20 posted on 02/03/2016 5:20:15 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OMorgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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