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How Are Illegals Employed: A Question for my Fellow Freepers

Posted on 01/20/2016 6:22:04 PM PST by Law is not justice but process

Every time I pass a construction site here in Coastal South Carolina, I wonder how the contractors manage to employ a labor force that consists almost entirely of illegal aliens. The only language spoken at theses sites is Spanish and my experience as a prosecutor tells me that the people employed there are almost all illegal and do not have Social Security Numbers. How are contractors able to employ these workers? Are they all paid under the table? Does no one inspect job sites? Is there some loophole in the law that allows the employers to avoid record-keeping and tax requirements? How does one employ a crew of illegal aliens without running afoul of the law?

I am sure many of you can enlighten me on this facet of employment law . . .


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: employment; illegals
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1 posted on 01/20/2016 6:22:04 PM PST by Law is not justice but process
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They’re probably not illegal. They are probably some of the hordes from Obama’s freedom-trains from central America in the past few years. As far as the politicized US Government, DOJ and particularly the DHS is concerned, they have all the right papers, and certainly you want get any promotions in the agency by going after them anyway.


2 posted on 01/20/2016 6:26:21 PM PST by PGR88
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Entitlement programs, including food stamps, free health care, etc.


3 posted on 01/20/2016 6:27:00 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Law is not justice but process

I recommend yelling out “Viva Trump” but watch for the guy with the nail gun.


4 posted on 01/20/2016 6:28:11 PM PST by nascarnation
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Every time I pass a construction site here in Coastal South Carolina, I wonder how the contractors manage to employ a labor force that consists almost entirely of illegal aliens.

Get in a pickup truck that has a ladder in the back. Then drive to the local Home Depot. You'll figure it out real quick.

I was visiting Cali and was headed to Huntington Beach looking for the Marine Mammal Institute. I had obviously passed it by so I had to turn around. I found a likely dirt parking lot type of area. I pulled in and attempted to get back into the flow of traffic going the way I had come.

My car was surrounded immediately by 15-20 illegals yelling at me...they were looking for work and had assumed I'd pulled in to find cheap laborers.

I got the hell out of there pronto.

5 posted on 01/20/2016 6:28:16 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is simply majoritarianism. It is incompatible with real freedom.)
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To: PGR88

I work indirectly with many of these guys, showcasing my company’s construction products on jobsites. It seems many of them are here on work permits and are legal. Of course, many, many are not legal too.


6 posted on 01/20/2016 6:29:03 PM PST by cyclotic (Liberalism is what smart looks like to stupid people.)
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This might help. Years ago I went to Honduras and when I arrived at my Hotel there was a Man there spoke good English and very friendly. Well what I found out was that he had a friend in the States that would bring in illegals and he would be the translator for them. So I guess what they do I get a smart middle man running the illegals work force to get them for cheap labor.


7 posted on 01/20/2016 6:29:28 PM PST by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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My first guess would be sub-contracting; the contractor’s employees are legit, but they delegate the work to firms where employees aren’t.

They are everywhere here in NJ, and when I go to the local flea market on Saturdays I watch the Americans sell their tools (and all of their household goods) to the non-English speaking workers that took their jobs. My town could be re-named New Peru at this point; thankfully the American quarter is still nice.


8 posted on 01/20/2016 6:30:33 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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You are a lawyer....figure it out.


9 posted on 01/20/2016 6:31:30 PM PST by Osage Orange (Nowadays we are just Central America with snow.)
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Baloney....they are PROBABLY illegal...with illegal SSI numbers.


10 posted on 01/20/2016 6:32:15 PM PST by Osage Orange (Nowadays we are just Central America with snow.)
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To: cyclotic

Seems....you really don’t know. Do you!


11 posted on 01/20/2016 6:33:42 PM PST by Osage Orange (Nowadays we are just Central America with snow.)
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The general contractor subs out the work. One of the legal immigrants or one of the illegal immigrants starts a business and gets a Tax Identification Number. One need not be a legal immigrant to start a business nor to obtain an TIN from the Internal Revenue Service. The general contractor pays the subcontractor who pays the crimaliens in cash.

The IRS went after Wal-Mart about ten years ago and hit them with a hefty fine for contracting work to crimaliens. But then I Wal-Mart is not much liked by the leftists.

If the IRS would go after the major players in the home construction and the commercial construction industries, including Trump, you would see almost no crimaliens on construction sites.


12 posted on 01/20/2016 6:34:35 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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I used to be a high volume tax preparer in California. There were some Mexican guys that showed me letters that they received from the IRS. The letters basically said “the Social Security number that you are using is not yours. Use this taxpayer identification number instead.”


13 posted on 01/20/2016 6:36:09 PM PST by forgotten man
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Most of the illegal aliens I know that worked, used false I.D, they can go to the black market and get a drivers license, a S.S. Number. Then you have one I.D at work, NEVER use your real name, so when you get picked up as Juan Hernandez, and in their file, and go in 8 years to the Embassy as Jose Garcia to get your visa legally. I’ve gotten false ID. told them it was my TRUE name, and they laughed, that is what they all say...


14 posted on 01/20/2016 6:36:10 PM PST by rovenstinez
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The answer is simple.

Under the 1986 law, you are required to fill out and file an I-9 form for each employee. The prospective employee presents his documentation, and you copy this information onto the form, and he signs it. Under the law, you are not allowed to question the legitimacy of the documentation. That was, I believe, some sort of compromise to get the law passed.

So these businesses undoubtedly have binders full of filled-out I-9 forms in their offices.


15 posted on 01/20/2016 6:36:14 PM PST by proxy_user
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I prosecute these guys all the time and 90% or more are illegal and they all work construction, landscaping, or in restaurants. None of them have green cards or SSNs. There are a very few here on work permits, but by and large those work in legitimate, paycheck, tax-witholding jobs. The guys doing the low-skilled work on the job sites all are paid in cash at the end of the week and I am pretty much completely certain none of them pays a penny of taxes (other than sales taxes when they hit the local Wal-Mart). Are they just hiring them as day labor? If so, why are the same guys working there every day? IS there no reporting or record-keeping requirement for such jobs?
16 posted on 01/20/2016 6:38:40 PM PST by Law is not justice but process
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It seems a there was a Mexican coyote (people smuggler) who was paid to lead some Central Americans through Mexico to the U.S. Well he pulled up to the Home Depot branch in Chihuahua, Mexico, told them they were in the U.S. and dropped them off and drove away. Local police had to be called to calm down the angry, duped illegal aliens in front of the Chihuahua Home Depot. ;-)


17 posted on 01/20/2016 6:41:57 PM PST by r_barton ("Trump" word origin "Triumph" - Merriam-Webster Dictionary)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

“If the IRS would go after the major players in the home construction and the commercial construction industries, including Trump, you would see almost no crimaliens on construction sites.”

I’ve long suspected the same. Neither Bush, Clinton, Bush, nor Obama cared to take that route.


18 posted on 01/20/2016 6:42:01 PM PST by Law is not justice but process
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To: Osage Orange

I don’t spend a whole lot of time asking them, but this spring, some of their bosses were discussing work permits and guys still coming u from Guatemala.

Not all Mexicans. Ran into a Brazilian crew the other day speaking excellent English.

Small builders probably hire illegals, bigger ones need to be concerned about status.


19 posted on 01/20/2016 6:47:09 PM PST by cyclotic (Liberalism is what smart looks like to stupid people.)
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They ALL hire illegals....knowingly or not.

I lived in SoCal...in the 70's and 80's...I saw what happened there.

I moved to OK in the late 90's...and I've seen what has happened here.

20 posted on 01/20/2016 6:51:51 PM PST by Osage Orange (Nowadays we are just Central America with snow.)
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