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Coulter: The case against Cruz as ‘natural-born citizen’
thye Courier of Montgomery County ^ | , January 17, 2016 10:47 pm | Ann CoulterSyndicated Columnist

Posted on 01/20/2016 6:57:04 AM PST by RC one

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To: EQAndyBuzz
But did she attend them?

She got her degree, didn't she? Besides that, we have the testimony of her friend Susan Blake, that Stanley Ann was in Seattle in the latter part of August.

141 posted on 01/20/2016 1:30:40 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: impimp
The Constitution makes a distinction between ‘Natural Born Citizens’ and ‘Citizens’ even before the very first Act of Congress regarding ‘naturalization’ ever happened.

It is rather simple, Natural Born Citizen, Citizen, and Naturalized Citizen.

142 posted on 01/20/2016 1:43:09 PM PST by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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To: alstewartfan

alstewartfan:”American mothers have AMERICAN children.”

So what do Cuban fathers have?


143 posted on 01/20/2016 1:48:18 PM PST by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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To: visually_augmented

Cuban law is irrelevant. American law supersedes it, as far as I am concerned. Good try, VA.


144 posted on 01/20/2016 2:33:39 PM PST by alstewartfan (I woke with the frost and noticed she'd lost the veil that covered her eyes. Al Stewart)
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To: Cboldt

I agree he and the GOP are attempting to front him as eligible. But he sure did not answer the eligibility question with the only answer that counts, when asked in the last debate. That is how I know that he knows he is not “ natural born”.


145 posted on 01/20/2016 2:45:51 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts
He knows the "little people" in the system aren't going to challenge the bluff. No state supreme court is going to allow a finding to be rendered. They will all lie, that's what courts do when it matters.
146 posted on 01/20/2016 2:50:19 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: DiogenesLamp

“She got her degree, didn’t she? Besides that, we have the testimony of her friend Susan Blake, that Stanley Ann was in Seattle in the latter part of August.”

I don’t believe anything that comes from anyone that has been involved with Obama’s life.


147 posted on 01/20/2016 2:54:03 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Jews for Cruz)
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To: alstewartfan

alstewartfan: “Cuban law is irrelevant”

I agree Cuban law is irrelevant but I did not ask about Cuban law. I merely asked what a Cuban father produces as far as offspring? I am talking about NATURAL law, not man-made law.

You made the statement that Cruz must be American because he had an American mother. I am trying to understand how you interpret the effect the father has on Cruz’s status. I assume if Cruz had an American father and Cuban mother, that you would have claimed “He had an American father so he must be an American”. So why doesn’t “American” law also dictate that if he had a Cuban father, he must be Cuban? I know for certain that natural law dictates this very thing. As far as I know, we do acknowledge nationalities other than US citizens in our laws - we call these people “aliens”.


148 posted on 01/21/2016 5:49:52 AM PST by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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To: visually_augmented

VA, I don’t know what the laws of any foreign country is regarding expatriated citizens’ children, but they are irrelevant re the fact that Cruz’ mom was American. Ted was bequeathed citizenship UNLESS his mom formally renounced her American citizenship.


149 posted on 01/21/2016 6:26:45 AM PST by alstewartfan (I woke with the frost and noticed she'd lost the veil that covered her eyes. Al Stewart)
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To: alstewartfan

alstewartfan: “Ted was bequeathed citizenship UNLESS his mom formally renounced her American citizenship.”

It isn’t as simple as you state. That is not the ONLY condition for Cruz’s US citizenship. His mother had to register Cruz in the US after his birth. He actually had to reside in the US for a particular amount of time prior to granting citizenship. If Cruz had been born to an American mother and Cuban father as he was in Canada and he never resided in the US until after his 18th birthday, he would not even be a US citizen! So you see that having a single parent citizen in a foreign birth was insufficient by itself to acquire US citizenship.

And an interesting point you should know is that the citizenship laws through the past have changed the qualifications for aliens born abroad to attain citizenship. And NONE of these were identified as UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

Do you think the definition of NBC has changed since the Constitution was written? If so, in what way(s)?


150 posted on 01/21/2016 2:13:31 PM PST by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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151 posted on 01/21/2016 3:20:01 PM PST by bushpilot2
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152 posted on 01/21/2016 3:21:50 PM PST by bushpilot2
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To: visually_augmented
-- He [Ted Cruz] actually had to reside in the US for a particular amount of time prior to granting citizenship. --

Not so. He'd be a citizen of the US if he lived in Canada his while life. The statute that grants him naturalized citizenship doesn't impose a residency requirement on the new citizen. It used to. See 8 USC 1401(g)

The citizen parent has to meet residency requirements prior to the birth. Ted's US citizen mother met those, no reasonable doubt on that.

Ted Cruz is a full-fledged naturalized US citizen. As a naturalized citizen, he is not eligible to hold the offices of president or vice-president.

153 posted on 01/21/2016 3:32:41 PM PST by Cboldt
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Thanks, I went back and read the naturalization process and realize the law was changed in 1978 and was retroactive. But at the time he was born, there were laws that required residency even though Cruz was inevitably not required.

But as I mentioned, there were periods of time in US history that Cruz could have been born under those same circumstances and not have been considered a citizen (let alone an NBC). Since the US Congress cannot change the constitution without amendment, we can safely say that Congress’s laws in the past that defined children born abroad to alien fathers to be non-citizen were constitutional. If Cruz had been considered an NBC, the US Congress could not have passed those laws.

As I believe you have mentioned in previous posts, Congress only had jurisdiction to pass laws affecting naturalization and citizenship, not NBC. Certainly they could not pass a law that made a person a non-citizen if that same person was defined as an NBC.


154 posted on 01/21/2016 8:49:26 PM PST by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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