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To: Black Agnes
At least we both agree that it is very bad to spread antibiotics in water (or to routinely give it to animals). I guess that we as well can agree that it is bad to give antibiotics to every patient that complains about bacterial infections.
46 posted on 12/28/2015 12:31:07 PM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

Antibiotics have their place.

As do vaccines.

Universal ‘strategies’ to control disease that select for this or that strain and rely on universal compliance for a feel good level of protection against some pathogen are a horribly bad idea.

Regardless of that strategy.

Measles and mumps are working their way around the current vaccines as well.


47 posted on 12/28/2015 12:36:15 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: AdmSmith

Take home conclusion paragraph from the CDC paper:

“Strains carrying nonvaccine-type pertactin or pertussis
toxin variants were not found in the prevaccination era.
Although the number of strains analyzed from this period was
limited, these data suggest that the nonvaccine-type variants
are not able to displace the vaccine-type strains in
unvaccinated populations (i.e., they have a lower fitness level,
or reproductive rate, in unvaccinated communities).
Alternatively, the nonvaccine-type strains may have evolved
relatively recently. Consistent with the first hypothesis, we
have observed that nonvaccine-type strains are less fit in
naive mice than vaccine-type strains. In immune mice the
difference in fitness between the two types of strains was
much less pronounced (unpublished data). Thus vaccination
has acted to shift the competitive balance between strains.”


48 posted on 12/28/2015 12:42:05 PM PST by Black Agnes
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