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The No-Fly-No-Buy List
Original Material | 12/6/2015 | By Laz A. Mataz

Posted on 12/06/2015 5:28:32 PM PST by Lazamataz

So, the Big Speech is over. Obama spoke from the Oval Office about the domestic Islamic terrorism that occurred in San Bernadino a few days ago.

Many gun owners, myself included, dreaded this speech as the possible introduction point for unconstitutional Executive Orders on firearms. The Executive Order (excuse me, 'Executive Action') floated most heavily was to bring private firearms sales under the Brady Act. The announcement did not materialize.

One of two gun control urgings that did appear, however, is something I deem the "No-Fly-No-Buy List". In this effort, the present "No-Fly List" would be used to also deny the purchase of firearms to those people who are on that list.

Let us discuss the "No-Fly List". While, at first glance, it appears to be a useful tool to prevent terrorists from flying, it has a few characteristics that make it very Soviet-like:

This is an Un-Citizen-List. Placement on this list makes you an Un-Person, at least in regards to your ability to travel freely. That is not acceptable in a society like ours.

Now, along comes OTrauma, who pitches the idea -- not to REFORM this legal tool -- but to EXPAND it to include firearms purchases.

There is no due process. The present list must be reformed, not, instead, have its function expanded!

It is important that we do not let the "No-Fly List" become the "No-Fly-No-Buy List."


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To: Jim Robinson

I noted that throughout the speech he repeatedly said ISIL, ISIL, ISIL, meaning Iraq and the Levant which denies that Israel isan independent state, being included in the designation The Levant which means to the East.

amazingly, the commentator for CBS in his recap of the speech repeatedly said ISIS, which is Iraq and Syria. There is abig difference between ISIL and ISIS. Another coverup by the Media.


41 posted on 12/06/2015 5:46:10 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: IAMNO1

I’ve never watched,or listened to him once either.
Knew what he was all about before being elected,didn’t feel the need to torture myself once elected. Never,not once.


42 posted on 12/06/2015 5:46:12 PM PST by crosdaddy
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To: Gay State Conservative

He lectured us that muslims are our friends, our co-workers (yes he did), serve in the military (defending or killing us as in Nadal’s case) and they are big time sports heroes.


43 posted on 12/06/2015 5:46:16 PM PST by austingirl
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To: Lazamataz

When guns are outlawed, only Muslims will own guns.


44 posted on 12/06/2015 5:46:40 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Lazamataz

End of the no fly list.
It required secrecy: of whether you are on it, and how without adjudication.
Now there will be litigation demanding right to militia arms a la _Heller_, and demand of strict scrutiny a la adjudication of individual prohibition.


45 posted on 12/06/2015 5:47:05 PM PST by ctdonath2 (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the week or the timid. - Ike)
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To: Lazamataz

who came up with the no fly no buy talking point? Its dumb as hell. Neither San Bernadino terrorists were on the no fly list. Will the GOP challenge this or surrender to this stupid idea


46 posted on 12/06/2015 5:47:40 PM PST by RginTN
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To: RginTN

The GOP surrendered in advance.


47 posted on 12/06/2015 5:48:29 PM PST by TADSLOS (A Ted Cruz Happy Warrior! GO TED!)
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To: ctdonath2; Jim Robinson
End of the no fly list.

I think so. He accidentally focused our attention on this unconstitutional legal tool.

Bad move, OTrauma. Freepers are pit bulls.

48 posted on 12/06/2015 5:49:12 PM PST by Lazamataz ( If they try firearm confiscation or gun registration, I go ballistic.)
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To: RginTN

49 posted on 12/06/2015 5:49:58 PM PST by Lazamataz ( If they try firearm confiscation or gun registration, I go ballistic.)
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To: Lazamataz

Well done.

L


50 posted on 12/06/2015 5:51:34 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lazamataz

No lie... A friend of ours was traveling to Disney World. They were held up at the airport because the name of their preschool child was on the no fly list. This child’s name is as American as apple pie.


51 posted on 12/06/2015 5:51:57 PM PST by HangingTuff
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To: Lurker

Four editorials in one day. An all-time record for me!


52 posted on 12/06/2015 5:52:43 PM PST by Lazamataz ( If they try firearm confiscation or gun registration, I go ballistic.)
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To: Lazamataz

How about if you are a gov employee and are in the watch list, you are FIRED. That would eliminate 72 people working at TSA. Imagine this, a person checking if you should be allowed to fly is on a terror watch list. only in Obama’s distorted USA.


53 posted on 12/06/2015 5:54:27 PM PST by ThePatriotsFlag ( Anything FREELY-GIVEN by the government was TAKEN from someone else)
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To: Lazamataz

Are members of the NRA already on the “list”?

Are the people Lois Lerner targeted on the “list”?

What percentage of the “list” is Christian versus Muslim?


54 posted on 12/06/2015 5:55:22 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: crosdaddy
“Knew what he was all about before being elected,didn't feel the need to torture myself once elected. Never,not once.”

Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, I lived in Chicago when he was becoming known, so also knew what he was all about before his being elected. Seeing him get elected was like watching a train wreck from afar. Nobody out here in my new home of WY took me serious. I felt like that person in that Twilight Zone episode who yells out to the unsuspecting victims, “to serve man...it's a cook book!”

55 posted on 12/06/2015 5:59:37 PM PST by IAMNO1 (Enough with the divisions. Lets get somebody in there who'll fix this mess.)
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To: Lazamataz

1. Put all registered gun owners on the no fly list.
2. Confiscated their guns
3. Dictatorship


56 posted on 12/06/2015 6:02:45 PM PST by Flick Lives (One should not attend even the end of the world without a good breakfast. -- Heinlein)
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To: Mollypitcher1; LucyT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3369149/posts?page=41#41

Good observations!

0 is showing his true loyalties, and its —not— to the US or Israel.

Is his use of the term “ISIL” a ‘go’ code?


57 posted on 12/06/2015 6:04:27 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: Lazamataz
Laz,
I don't know if I should be honored or insulted, as one not on your official ping list.LOL.

OTOH, I have no idea if I am currently on the “no fly list”.

Or if I have been ever been placed on it at any time, in the past 15 years, since I have had no reason to fly.

How does one find out if they are on the “no fly list”?
And one assumes that people who know they are on it, would already be taking steps to procure alternate identities...

58 posted on 12/06/2015 6:04:27 PM PST by sarasmom (TRUMP-Because there is no option to vote NONE OF THE ABOVE for the rest of them!)
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To: sarasmom

If you want to be on a list, my ping list would be the best one to be on. :)


59 posted on 12/06/2015 6:05:17 PM PST by Lazamataz ( If they try firearm confiscation or gun registration, I go ballistic.)
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To: Lazamataz
You're right---you can end up on the no-fly list for a number of reasons, and being suspected of terrorism is only one.

Eight Ways You Can End Up On The No Fly List

60 posted on 12/06/2015 6:06:24 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ("A real conservative will bear the scars...will have been in the trenches fighting."--- Ted Cruz)
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