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Baby adopted out WITHOUT father's consent (Utah)
Jamie Nielsen Facebook ^ | 11/19/2015 | Jamie Nielsen

Posted on 11/20/2015 3:13:54 PM PST by Domandred

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To: BJ1
Do you also agree that said that he doesn’t have to pay child support unless he is married?

Bio-dads never have to pay child support for an adopted child. When there is a baby on the way, talking about marriage down the road is NOT a good indicator that the child will be in a stable household with a mother and a father. Adoptive families can (and do) supply that.
41 posted on 11/20/2015 4:12:30 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Chickensoup

Oh, really?! No rights for the father, but if the mother wants to keep the baby, he has to pay child-support. Damned if he does and damned if he don’t. How liberal of you. I think you’re in the wrong forum. Why not just go over to HuffPo where you will fit right in with all the FemiNAZIs?


42 posted on 11/20/2015 4:13:51 PM PST by Roger Kaputnik (Just because I'm paranoid doesn't prove that they aren't out to get me.)
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To: Domandred

Anyone who would let themselves be given or take someone’s child against that parent’s wishes, is not fit to be a parent.


43 posted on 11/20/2015 4:13:59 PM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: MrEdd

Agreed. See my post #42.


44 posted on 11/20/2015 4:14:42 PM PST by Roger Kaputnik (Just because I'm paranoid doesn't prove that they aren't out to get me.)
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To: bboop

How much cocaine has to be snorted to come to the conclusion that dad won’t marry mom?

Mom was playing the field.
Mom may want to party and a baby gets in the way.
One sex partner? She doesn’t want that.
If the baby is around being raised by dad she might feel guilty.
If the baby is adopted by people she will never see then that reminder goes away.


45 posted on 11/20/2015 4:17:16 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Roger Kaputnik

Oh, really?! No rights for the father, but if the mother wants to keep the baby, he has to pay child-support. Damned if he does and damned if he don’t. How liberal of you. I think you’re in the wrong forum. Why not just go over to HuffPo where you will fit right in with all the FemiNAZIs?
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No, no rights and no responsibilities for the male. None. So why don’t you stop calling names and READ.


46 posted on 11/20/2015 4:18:54 PM PST by Chickensoup (We lose our freedoms one surrender at a time)
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To: Chickensoup

Some people read ahead before a knee jerk response, some don’t.

(This, of course, has never happened to me...)


47 posted on 11/20/2015 4:28:02 PM PST by null and void (We are AmeriCANs. We CAN learn, and learn from history, if we choose.)
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To: Chickensoup

Why don’t you have a Coke and smile and then zip it, you FemiNAZI.

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries. Now go away because I don’t want to talk to you anymore. And be forewarned that if you come back again, I will taunt you a second time.

What a maroon.

RK


48 posted on 11/20/2015 4:28:06 PM PST by Roger Kaputnik (Just because I'm paranoid doesn't prove that they aren't out to get me.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Have the "snip" apply to the mom TOO, and I'm on board with you. But only if it applies to the mom too.

Of course. It never occurred to me that it should be otherwise.

People who make recklessly make unwanted pregnancies should get their baby making parts snipped. (reversibly, in case they ever straighten out.)

49 posted on 11/20/2015 4:29:54 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Domandred
First, they both screwed up. There's no sense in getting married sometimes if she caves in to her parents and probably other issues, might result in another baby and then a divorce. In this case, if I were a male, I would not want to marry a woman whose parents pressured her to give away my child.

If the mom signs the baby away, the man, if fit, should have a right to the baby. It's totally wrong that men have no rights whether married or not.

Maybe adoption makes more sense to some people, but the father should have equal rights whether married or not. I hate to see decent, loving men screwed over.

And FReepers most don't know me now, but I have railed against men, too.

51 posted on 11/20/2015 4:39:34 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Chickensoup

I wave my privates in your general direction, cupcake.


52 posted on 11/20/2015 4:45:52 PM PST by Roger Kaputnik (Just because I'm paranoid doesn't prove that they aren't out to get me.)
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To: Chickensoup
That said, my personal opinion is that fathers should have no rights unless married to mom. Otherwise, leave it zipped.

Then why should SHE have any rights? Her unmarried self didn't stay zipped either. Women now have sole choice of where the baby goes even past the abortion stage?

54 posted on 11/20/2015 4:58:43 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: Chickensoup

Oh that hurts so much coming from smelly chicken farmer whose only companionship comes from her twelve cats. The outside of your house smells like chicken feces and the inside smells like cat urine. I can’t imagine the diseases floating around your property. I suspect your brain is deteriorating as we speak.

Must suck to be you.


55 posted on 11/20/2015 4:59:39 PM PST by Roger Kaputnik (Just because I'm paranoid doesn't prove that they aren't out to get me.)
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To: Lizavetta

Then why should SHE have any rights? Her unmarried self didn’t stay zipped either. Women now have sole choice of where the baby goes even past the abortion stage?

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It is in her body and she owns it.


56 posted on 11/20/2015 4:59:47 PM PST by Chickensoup (We lose our freedoms one surrender at a time)
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To: Roger Kaputnik

Actually it is wonderful to be me!

Go away child.


57 posted on 11/20/2015 5:00:57 PM PST by Chickensoup (We lose our freedoms one surrender at a time)
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To: Auntie Mame

Thank God, at least one sane voice!


58 posted on 11/20/2015 5:06:13 PM PST by sarasmom (TRUMP-Because there is no option to vote NONE OF THE ABOVE for the rest of them!)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Not my meaning. If a woman can put a kid up for adoption without the unmarried father knowing, I think it’s only right that an unmarried man not have to pay child support. Regardless if the mother keeps it or not.

I do not like the system that exists for men. Heads you win, tails I lose.


59 posted on 11/20/2015 5:07:23 PM PST by BJ1
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To: Domandred

If this is true, he needs to go to this site and ask for advice from Ohiogal, I’m pretty sure that he has Constitutional rights to his child. Especially if they state has had no reason to remove the child from the home.


60 posted on 11/20/2015 5:09:31 PM PST by tiki ( r)
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