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Any doubts over about December Fed hike may be swept away
in.reuters.com ^ | Jonathan Cable

Posted on 11/14/2015 7:59:42 AM PST by BenLurkin

While most U.S. data has been relatively upbeat, retail sales rose less than expected in October, suggesting a slowdown in consumer spending that could temper expectations of a strong pickup in fourth-quarter economic growth.

In the meantime, Britain's Bank of England was once pegged as likely to be the first major central bank to tighten policy but prices fell again last month, data will probably show on Tuesday.

With inflation so far below its 2 percent target the BoE's Monetary Policy Committee won't be raising its benchmark rate from a record low 0.5 percent until at least April, a Reuters poll found, putting it several months behind the Fed. [ECILT/GB]

British retail sales numbers on Thursday will offer clues as to how consumers are faring.

"While inflation looks odds on to post its lowest rate since March 1960, we do not think this decline will worry the MPC too much, with weak price pressures driven largely by lower energy prices rather than domestic economic weakness," wrote Ruth Miller at Capital Economics.

ASIA

No change in policy is expected from the Bank of Japan on Friday but it could ease monetary policy further early next year, according to nearly half the analysts surveyed by Reuters, as consumer prices fall short of central bank forecasts. [ECILT/JP]

GDP data on Monday will probably show Japan fell into a technical recession in the third quarter, maintaining pressure on the BOJ and Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to support the world's third largest economy.

(Excerpt) Read more at in.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: centralbanks; inflation; ratehike
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1 posted on 11/14/2015 7:59:43 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

The economy has sucked for years under ObaMao...and they think raising interest rates in a suck a$$ed economy will do anything other than finally destroy the country? Maybe that’s what they want.


2 posted on 11/14/2015 8:01:06 AM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: BenLurkin

That title gives me a cluster headache. I had to check that you posted it accurately. You did.


3 posted on 11/14/2015 8:04:53 AM PST by Stentor ("The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.")
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To: BenLurkin
Just sayin'.....lots of folks on fixed incomes and/or relying on savings to balance their budgets have cut down on spending to compensate for 0% interest rates. And this year, no COLA for seniors but Medicare Part B went up.

Savers have to get interest on safe savings. If they don't almost no one in the future will be able to prepare for retirement.. It's one of those things that was put in place after the Depression to get the economy working again.

4 posted on 11/14/2015 8:05:38 AM PST by grania
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To: WKUHilltopper

They aren’t going to raise rates during the election year, they will wait until a Republican is elected to throw the nation into a recession for the midterm elections.


5 posted on 11/14/2015 8:13:15 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: grania
Keynesian economics hates saving, it thinks the nation grows on consumer spending.
6 posted on 11/14/2015 8:14:25 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: BenLurkin
ASIA

It is better we should go quickly, go into Asia
Or any other tunnel where the world recedes.

7 posted on 11/14/2015 8:18:21 AM PST by MUDDOG
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To: fortheDeclaration

Keynesian economics believes all money is government money, all wealth is government wealth, so every dollar you have is not your dollar, but government dollars they allow you to keep.

Keynesian economics claims government spending has a “multiplier effect”, meaning if the government spends a dollar it is better than you spending a dollar, that government knows best how to spend the dollar. The multiplier is 1.6 times, meaning, if you spend a dollar it is only one dollar spent but if government spends a dollar it generates another 60 cents in spending.


8 posted on 11/14/2015 8:28:01 AM PST by CodeToad (Stupid kills, but not nearly enough!)
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To: grania

Contrast that to the higher rates people will be paying on adjustable-rate mortgages and credit card debt; I don’t expect any meaningful rate hike for years. They may inch up, but a lot will fall apart with real increases.


9 posted on 11/14/2015 8:36:41 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: CodeToad

The way you phrase it sure makes Keynesian economics seem like socialism...yet Keynes is on record of hating socialists.


10 posted on 11/14/2015 8:49:58 AM PST by sanjuanbob (Skeptic)
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To: sanjuanbob

Keynes lived in a time when socialism and communism were dirty words, yet, socialism by other means is still socialism.

Keynes was a socialist. He believed government was the answer to a healthy economy and that all markets must be controlled by government. THAT is socialism.


11 posted on 11/14/2015 8:53:44 AM PST by CodeToad (Stupid kills, but not nearly enough!)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Keynesian economics hates saving, it thinks the nation grows on consumer spending.

This is one of those cases where what is good for the economy as a whole is bad for the individual.

Both history and my personal experience demonstrate that we do not have much to worry about. Very, very few people have the will to save anything at all. And, even fewer have ever considered the difference between short-term and long-term savings.

12 posted on 11/14/2015 8:59:30 AM PST by CurlyDave
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To: grania

The whole idea of paying interest to a lender makes no sense if the economy is not growing. That’s true regardless of whether the lender is a bank underwriting a mortgage or a customer depositing money in a savings account.


13 posted on 11/14/2015 9:04:50 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: Alberta's Child
What I'm saying is that one reason the economy is not growing is that people who take responsibility for their financial well-being aren't spending because their savings are being depleted.

Us little folk who follow the laws and take responsibility for our well-being didn't cause the problem. So how come we're the only ones being screwed?

You know what? With interest rates being so low for so long, anyone who hasn't paid off their debts deserves financial ruin.

14 posted on 11/14/2015 9:08:55 AM PST by grania
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To: grania

Maybe I’m not understanding this clearly. I’m not sure exactly how you are “being screwed” here.


15 posted on 11/14/2015 9:11:42 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: Alberta's Child
I and many people who have small pensions and depend on interest from savings to balance our budgets aren't getting interest on savings. Thus, we have to deplete savings to balance the budget. To stretch those savings, people spend less.

The same is true for people over 50 (or so) who are concerned about having enough savings for retirement. The only way to grow those savings is to spend less, save more.

If you think the economy is bad now, what's going to happen then most of the population retires into poverty?

16 posted on 11/14/2015 9:16:00 AM PST by grania
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To: BenLurkin

China and Japan hold the mortgage on our country, since they own so many of our bonds, and they will continue to determine what our interest rates will be.

At present, China and Japan are willing to buy our debt at 2% interest, since our current government supports free trade, so that China and Japan can continue to flourish economically.

However, the two leading candidates for the 2016 presidency — Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton — are anti-free trade, with Donald Trump having already attacked China as our economic enemy for exporting more to us than we export to them.

If Hillary and the Donald become the two candidates with the possibility of leading the U.S. during the next four years, expect China and Japan to rethink their generous policies of accepting our Treasury notes at a mere 2% interest rate.

And if Donald Trump, who apparently has no ability to control his outbursts, starts excoriating the Chinese with even a tenth as much venom as he’s been attacking Ben Carson with, who knows what Xi Who Must Be Obeyed will do in retaliation?

Will China demand 3%, 5%, 10% interest rates to buy our Treasury bills, which we must sell week in and week out or go bankrupt?

This is much more interesting to contemplate than whether Janet Reno will raise bank deposit rates 0.25% next month. But don’t expect any economists to do so.


17 posted on 11/14/2015 9:16:13 AM PST by Bluestocking
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To: grania
OK, but you don't really have any right to have an expectation of high interest rates for your savings. When you save money you are basically a lender. If nobody is out there clamoring to borrow your money, then you aren't going to get much interest on it.

In any environment (high-interest or low-interest), there are always some people who will do well and others who will not. This doesn't mean that anyone is being "screwed."

18 posted on 11/14/2015 9:26:19 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: Stentor
That title gives me a cluster headache. I had to check that you posted it accurately. You did.

What happened to a simple declarative sentence?

19 posted on 11/14/2015 9:27:51 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Liberals support high taxes on alcohol, tobacco and wealth. And all for the same reason.)
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To: Bluestocking
The only problem with your narrative is that China and Japan are hardly "flourishing" economically. Japan in particular is in the toilet. They've effectively been in a recession that has lasted nearly three decades long.

These countries are perfectly happy with a 2% rate of return because their own currencies aren't nearly as strong as the U.S. dollar. I don't see that changing anytime soon.

20 posted on 11/14/2015 9:29:31 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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