Ben Carson Doubts Donald Trump's Temperament to be Commander In Chief

Washinton Times ^ | 11/7/2015 | S.A. Miller

[Duchess47]

He’s been described as with reddish hair and grey eyes or golden colored hair if you trust the sources.

http://www.thenazareneway.com/likeness_of_our_saviour.htm

[dsc]

“Again, as I just explained, not as I see it AMONGST his supporters. Any scrutiny is automatically dismissed.”

I can’t say no one is doing this just because I haven’t seen it. I have seen some reasonable responses to criticism dismissed for invalid reasons.

“who nonetheless will be critical of him, mostly for his instinctual behavior to attack”

That’s not an instinctive behavior; it is learned. I, for one, value it. We may wish we were not at war, or that there were some way out other than resisting those who attack us, but there is not. Not, not, not.

We need a wartime president, not another weenie.

“rather than stay on message and stay on issues.”

I think he’s done a pretty good job of sidestepping media attempts to trip him into the mire, but I don’t think one *should* stay on message and issues when someone is behaving abominably and needs to be called out.

I love it that he calls a spade a spade, and have only contempt for politicians who won’t.

[DoughtyOne]

post 103 by American Faith Today to HarleyLady27; georgia girl

Good grief. I’m not trying to personally attack you. I just like to see people put some actual thought in to their vote and be willing to show and explain that. (1)

And yes, I think Trump is taking people for a ride. I do. And as I mentioned to Georgia Girl, the hero worship of Trump is distressing, (2) because that’s what brought us Obama- no criticism, no critique allowed, we had to vote for him to save us all. (3)

But you love and support Trump- again more power to you. (4)  But if I’m discussing something with someone and they to me aren’t being consistent or aren’t communicating in a way that comes across clear to me, or that makes sense to me, sometimes I’m going to be persistent in communicating back with them. That’s just me. (5)

It’s not meant to be personal, and so I would hope you wouldn’t take it that way. (6)


post 105 by dsc to American Faith Today

“because that’s what brought us Obama- no criticism, no critique allowed, we had to vote for him to save us all.” (7a)

No criticism? Trump has been subject to intense scrutiny. (7b)


Post 109 by American Faith Today to dsc; DoughtyOne

Again, as I just explained, not as I see it AMONGST his supporters. Any scrutiny is automatically dismissed.  (8)

Although, once again, there are exceptions and as I also said, I’ll give those people credit every time- or try to anyway. (9)  As a matter of fact, Doughty has been one in the past by name that has done so. (10)  There are others who I am not familiar enough with who nonetheless will be critical of him, mostly for his instinctual behavior to attack rather than stay on message and stay on issues.  (11)


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1.  I will try not to be overly critical here, but let me just explain it as I see it and move on.  IMO, both sides are overlooking some important things.  Cruz can't get his numbers up,  Trump has seemingly changed much of his views over time.  I do however think both sides are putting some actual thought into their vote, and standing by their candidate as best they can.  While that's admirable, it sure does tick off the supporters of opposing candidates.

No matter how much I like Cruz, and I do, I cannot agree with his vote on Corker or his vote on TPA.  Those are absolutely foreign to my belief system.  Putting those votes aside, I'm not a big fan of his immigration plan either.  I do support him to be the Vice Presidential pick at this time.  As for Trump, we have thought we knew him well.  In certain instances we can say we did, but I'm not sure he was as hard Left as many folks think he was.  His morphing views on abortion resemble many Conservatives views on it, getting more opposed over time.  Trump can relate a turning point in his life.  So can I.  I accept his word on this.  I accept his paper on the 2nd Amendment.  I accept his platform, and believe him to be telling the truth.  Trump decided to go all in on the Conservative mindset.  That doesn't mean he always gets it right, but he has shown a dedication to getting it right by changing his stance overnight, when he realized he had it wrong.  That, to me, seems like a very honorable thing to do.  Contrast that with others in the hunt this year and I think it will be clear, Trump was willing to accept when his views weren't in line with Conservatism and changed to correct it.  We have spouted off for nearly 30 years, this is what we wanted out of our candidates.  Now one of them does it, and we're being challenged to put up or shut up.  Many of our folks have refused to do either.  They are just playing obstinent and it's silly.

2.  I do think you are over going a bit overbaord on this.  Using the term "Hero Worship" is almost worthless because the followers of each candidate engage in behavior that amounts to the same thing.  Cruz supporters won't admit he has ever done anything wrong.  Trump's folks can't help but acknowledge that his views have changed, but he isn't presenting those old views or asking anyone to support them and vote for him.  They defend him in line with that reality.  That's reasoned.

When you talk about people being taken for a ride, the Cruz agenda seems to be supportive of building up our workforce.  None the less he supports at least tripling the H-1B Visas.  (some have said 500%)  Those have been abused by businesses laying off U. S. Citizen workers and hiring H-1B immigrants.  Isn't pretending you're for the U. S. Citizen worker, then advocating for an increase in the H-1B program that's being abused, taking the voters for a ride?  Actually it is.

3.  When it comes to comparing the scrutiny Trump has gotten from the GOPe, the DNC, the MSM, the talking heads, the pundits, the blogosphere, and even FReepers here on this forum to the free ride Obama got, it's incomprehensible one could compare the two of them on any level.  For some VERY STRANGE reason the supporters of other candiates can't fathom that Trump supporters did go though a thought process that led them to think Trump was the best choice this time around.  That is not the problem of the Trump supporter.  It's the problem of folks who have not only dismissed, insulted, slandered, and ridiculed Trump from day one, but have also dismissed, insulted, slandered, and ridiculed his supporters from day one.  What is up with that?

IMO < Cruz hasn't a prayer of getting nominated.  He can't overcome the reality that Democrates, Independents, and Moderate Republicans will be voting against him.  Some Conservatives will also, because they have resigned themselves to this reality.  And it is reality.  I have been through too many campaigns wishing my guy would do better, not to recognize that same thing in Cruz supporters.  They have this minset that if they like Cruz, sooner or later everyone will.  It simply doesn't work that way.

My personal opinion is that Ted lacks the charisma necessary to pull off the Trump personna.  I think he is a smart guy.  I think he's qualified.  I don't see him ever winning the nomination from the Republican party.  The GOPe will not stand for it.

This leaves Conservatives with a choice of backing Cruz into the nomination process and then realizing too late that he can't win it, or it leaves them selecting Trump early on and pushing to get him nominated.

If we all back Cruz into the nomination process, he doesn't catch fire and win the nomination, we face another general election with nobody we want to vote for.  Now that may not sit well with you, but it doesn't have to.  Others have left you behind.  They're not waiting for you or anyone else to give them permission.  They are driving Trump on because they think he is the only one voicing our views they can see winning the nomination.  Ultimately, these folks have had to think farther outside the box to come up with this dynmaic solution to a problem than Cruz supporters have.  It has been since 1984 that a Conservative was nominated from the Republican party, and that was only because it was Reagan's second term.  If that hadn't been the case, I can't even tell you what year the last actual Conservative got the nomination.  Has one?  Well, we can say Goldwater was in 1964, but was he really?  I remember his views in his elder years, and they caused me to wonder if he had every actually been a Conservative.

So here we are, it's coming up 2016, and it will have been 32 years since we last nominated a Conservative.  For 32 years the process has prevented us from nominating a Conservative.  Into this realty slips the Cruz supporter, and they are convinced that the same process that prevented a Conservative from being elected since the carismatic Reagan, will this year work to get Cruz nominated.  That right there IS NOT evidence of a Cruz supporter using their head.  The Cruz folks like to toss the idea around that Trump supporters don't think at all, but then the Trump supporters aren't backing a plan that hasn't worked in 32 years.  Cruz supporters are.  Should Trump supporters start trashing Cruz supporters for not thinking?  I don't think so.  Folks need to come to the right path on their own.  Hopefully Cruz folks will eventually realize Ted can't pull it off and throw their support behind the only guy that can and will try to get much of our agenda pushed through.

4.  While I think those were nice words, your actions don't really back up those words.  One minute you're saying Trump supporters are all Hero Worshipers and mindlessly following him, and now you're saying more power to them.  You need to resolve which you really mean.  I think it's fairly obvious which you mean, but you should go all in that way or change directions.
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5.  The problem as I see it, and you're no different with that regard than the rest of us, is that unless the Trump supporter agrees with you, they aren't going to be coming across clear to you.  I am approached by the occasional Cruz supporter who has something untruthful to say about Trump.  I provide clear evidence they are wrong, give a link, and explain it in minute detail.  They continue right on.  It wasn't clear to them.  It's a waste of my time to try to get through to them.  Believe me, if you think it's only Trump folks that do this, you need to get out more.

6.  Well... when you start talking about things like you did in (1) above, not thinking, not explaining..., you more or less lose me and others on your claim not to be making it personal.  I have reached the point that I have come to the conclusion it's pointless to make a point to Cruz supporters.  I've been at it for five months, and some of them still don't know that he's for a private sector solution to Obamacare, has a good stance on the 2nd Amendment, and other things as well.  I've had to explain this to people literally hundreds of times.  Now someone wants to guilt me into doing it some more.  No.  If the Cruz supporter was honest, looked for truth, and wanted to know Trump's actual stances, they would know by now.  It's not my problem any longer.  Get with it or get left behind.

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7a.  Please see 3. above: I agree with dsc
7b.  Please see 3. above: I agree with dsc

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8.  I believe I understand where you are coming from here, but sometimes it's easy to confuse meaning.  I'll respond as I think your words related to this, and you can correct me if I didn't quite grasp your thoughts.

How many times can you agree that in 2000 Trump said he approved of the Canadian and Scotish health care systems?  I must have confronted this issue about 50 times so far.  Trump is not hawking those plans.  Anyone who really cared would know this.  It's patently absurd for a Cruz supporter to need to have this explained to them again.

How many times can you agree that Trumps has said a few things wrong on the 2nd Amendment?  I must have confronted this issue only a few less times then the health care one.  He has a position paper out there.  Conservatives have read it and agree it is a great paper.  None the less Cruz supporters want to rehash that too.

Over and over again, it's the same thing.  Trump said this in 2000, now he has flip-flopped.  Sheesh.  What is he selling to the U. S. Citizen?  Is he hawking Conservatism or not?  The truth is, he is hawking Conservatism.  A new generation is being educated about smaller government, local solutions, and less taxes.  Trump is adocating a number of very sound policies.  We don't need to educate anyone on this.  If the Cruz supporter wants to know, they'll know.  If they don't, they won't.  It's that simple.

Please don't come to us anymore and act as if it's all a big secret to you.  The truth is out there.

9.  Sounds great.  If you can live up to that fine.  Many of the Cruz supporters can't.

10.  I waver back and forth whether you are saying I am logical and forthcoming or if you are taking me to task for being an example of someone who doesn't.  For that reason, I'll answer it this way.

One: I try to be fair in my responses.  If there has been a problem with Trump's past beliefs, I'll address them head on and explain what I see going on.  It isn't the dead set soldid fact I'd like it to be, but I do try to lay out some reasons.  I think they make sense, but others respond by telling me I'll defend anything Trump has done, which is not what I defended at all.  I have just admitted to his former stance, and have explained how he says he sees it now.  How is that defending his former stance?  He doesn't defend it either, or he wouldn't have changed, so why would I?  I merely state that he has adopted a new policy which is better and something we wished he would do.

Two:  There are times when I just get tired of explaing the same old thing to people.  I figure that if they truly wanted to know, they'd research and know by know.  In those instances I don't bother explaining anymore.  Most of the honest people have already come to their conclusion.  They don't need to ask silly quesitons any longer.  The ones still asking are more or less interesting in a confrontation.  I just tell them to believe what they want.  Life is too short to deal with people who don't really want to know.  Support Cruz so we can come up with Rubio, Fiorina, Carson, Christie, or Bush.  I'm not going to.

11.  Trump's gut instincts are not my gut instincts.  My process thorough life has taught me that you make more problems for yourself by utilizing certain behaviors.  I try to avoid flat out insults unless over time I've finally gotten tired of explaining a certain thought process in minute detail over and over again, to no avail.  I don't expect folks to agree with me, but I do at least expect them to say something to the effect:: "Well I don't agree with you, but the way you explained it, I can see where you're coming from.  It makes sense, but I don't agree."  If someone does that, I don't ask any more.  Fine, go ahead and keep your beliefs.  I can live with that.

Take care.