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I wonder if we have on FR someone familiar enough with aerodynamic design to roughly estimate the upward force ("lift"*) on a pop-up camper being towed at 60 mph if the camper is tilted, front up at an angle of 0.6 degrees, or (worst case) 1.0 degrees. Also assume a 20 mph headwind (gust), for a total "windspeed" of 90 mph, "worst case". (See "*" below for why we have a "tilt" not easy to get rid of.)

The camper shell is approx. 7.3' wide by 9.8' long x 3' high. The shape overall approximates a VERY crude upside down airfoil -- I assume negative lift (with the camper level) at speed was considered desirable, in the design, but I also assume the effect is not large.

So, what I'm really wondering is if the upward "lift" of the "tilted panel" (or "tilted block" if you like) is enough to be a problem. I really don't want a "skipping trailer" behind me!

I looked around on the web for equations to do the calculation, but quickly discovered this is tricky business, and I don't know what secondary variables can be estimated, or just thrown out. (It IS interesting stuff: If I was young, an elective course might appeal to me, but at my age I no longer have that sort of time...)

*A tilt of 0.6 degrees (or perhaps 1.0 degrees in the "wrong" spot in the road) does not sound like much, but when one views the trailer, the "tilt" is very obvious. The tilt exists because our SUV has a factory welded in Class II receiver that puts the bottom of the trailer coupler over 14" off of level ground even using a 6" drop ball mount. This is with the SUV and camper typically loaded (which helps a little.) If the camper is level, the bottom of the trailer coupler is 11" off the ground.

Meanwhile, the camper coupler is approx. 11" off the ground when the camper is level: Then subtract about 1/2" because when the coupler is on the ball, there is about 1/2" gap to the bottom of the ball base ( = top surface of the ball mount bar).

So, for the camper to be level, the coupler would have to come down 3+ inches further.

Class III ball mounts are available in up to 10" drop, but, unfortunately, there is no easy way to use a Class III receiver. One could for around $200 plus labor ADD a Class III hitch UNDER the existing Class II hitch, but, that drastically reduces the SUV's angle of departure. So, if one wants to go exploring after setting up camp, the vehicle to do so is seriously compromised. The SUV mfgr. obviously did not consider what height most Class II trailers are at. (Our popup, jonboat trailer, and utility trailer, are all 11-12" coupler height when level.)

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help...

1 posted on 10/22/2015 7:00:44 PM PDT by Paul R.
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Oops, I should have posted “90 mph” including a headwind gust.


2 posted on 10/22/2015 7:02:28 PM PDT by Paul R.
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3 posted on 10/22/2015 7:03:09 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I've switched. Trump is my #1. He understands how to get things done. Cruz can be VP.)
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This extremely complicated as you also need to consider the bounday layer turbulance created by the tow vehicle.

Rather than get all scientific and running some sort of Computational Fluid Dynamics simulation... how about you hitch it up and take the rig out on the Interstate and do 90... if it rides ok, problem solved, question answered.


6 posted on 10/22/2015 7:06:55 PM PDT by Rodamala
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I half-seriously considered posting this with the title “Air Force hits camper”. It’d probably get a lot more views that way...


7 posted on 10/22/2015 7:07:50 PM PDT by Paul R.
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8 posted on 10/22/2015 7:08:17 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Businessmen use their own money to succeed. Politicians take other people's money and fail.)
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I once pulled a Jayco all the way from Florida to Garden City, Kansas. Over a thousand miles and the hitch broke a hundred yards from home.

They had these fairly severe dips in the pavement to allow water to flow and that is what caught it. Fortunately a guy I worked with cut out the right size piece of metal and welded it back. He had partially welded it and was doing an acceptable if rough job when another friend took over and made it look easy and really smooth weld.

I think the wake left by the towing vehicle would tend to break up the wind flow and lessen the chance of enough wind getting under the trailer to make it lift off the ground tho I guess it has probably happened some time some where.


9 posted on 10/22/2015 7:09:21 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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I would be more concerned with braking. Under a hard stop, the trailer is going to try to lift the rear wheels of the tow vehicle.

Electric trailer brakes will help or eliminate this.

I would go with a longer drop mount on a class 3 hitch.

Alternately look at putting blocks under the springs on the trailer.

I have experienced the lift problem running heavily loaded and it was bad.


16 posted on 10/22/2015 7:18:14 PM PDT by Clay Moore (Keep JRandomFreeper in you prayers)
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Yeah: give it a try!
Can’t you find someone to hold your beer?

Someone who knows trailers would be more helpful than an aerodynamicist IMO.
I doubt it would be a problem unless the trailer is empty.


17 posted on 10/22/2015 7:18:36 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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It has more to do with the surface area of the top and bottom of the camper. If the top of the camper has a higher surface area than the pressure over the camper will be lower.

Look up Bernoulli’s Principle.


18 posted on 10/22/2015 7:19:10 PM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a deatha panel)
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Lift is generated primarily from airflow over the upper surface. In your case, a trailer attached to a tow vehicle, the draft (vacuum) created by the tow vehicle may even extend to and beneath the camper creating a negative lift affect.

Ideally, one could rig some type of tension gauge to record axle spring travel when towed at speed for a accurate determination. :-)

19 posted on 10/22/2015 7:19:56 PM PDT by amorphous
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I had that problem once. A U-haul trailer I was towing pulled up beside me as I slightly slowed up, veered/jumped across the median, jumped/bounced over a pasture fence and scattered 30 dairy cows as it plowed up a swath in the pasture.


21 posted on 10/22/2015 7:21:35 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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NASA lift equation
22 posted on 10/22/2015 7:21:36 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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Your tow vehicle will block the air


28 posted on 10/22/2015 7:36:45 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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A trip to a welding shop may be in order.

Any competent welder can make what you need, and then heat treat it.

All of the materials are available at most trailer supply shops. Just cut and weld.

I have a Class III receiver on a Subaru Brat!
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32 posted on 10/22/2015 7:44:55 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To quote Les Nessmen “as God is my witness I thought trailers could fly”.


33 posted on 10/22/2015 7:45:12 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (It's a shame enobama truly doesn't care about any of this. Our country, our future, he doesn't care)
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Not an expert by any stretch, but lots of experience with horse trailers. If they are not level they blow tires big time. Could be the weight factor but even with 2 horses...blown tires. Getting the right hitch to pull the trailer might be cheaper in the long run. We have tried to pull trailers that were a little off and I tell you blown tires, even a fairly short distance.


34 posted on 10/22/2015 7:49:48 PM PDT by Tammy8
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UPWT Test Inquiries

Wind Tunnel Division Chief

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/orgs/aeronautics/windtunnels/index.html

:-)

35 posted on 10/22/2015 7:52:13 PM PDT by amorphous
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Why isn't this posted in Braking News? (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
37 posted on 10/22/2015 7:54:54 PM PDT by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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With or without a dish antenna?


43 posted on 10/22/2015 8:04:58 PM PDT by Flick Lives (One should not attend even the end of the world without a good breakfast. -- Heinlein)
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Fill the Trailer full of Lead Shot and the problem will go away, unless you stop short that is.


47 posted on 10/22/2015 8:10:19 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Conservatives say, America, love it or leave it. Liberals say, America, hate it and change it.)
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