I personally have little respect for "style" over "substance." Steve Jobs was mostly about style, and not so much about substance. Suggesting he was the "Fashion designer" of the computer industry is not intended to be seen as a compliment.
What he did with these designs, everyone else copied. On the 1984 Mac, first use of 3-1/2 inch floppy drives
Appears to have been invented by Sony, and first used on their Sony SMC-70 computer in 1982. Later adopted by Apple.
The original Apple II with a motherboard containing enough hardware to boot a working machine, while having a bank of slots to add 3rd-party boards; most other machines used S-100 architecture and needed other components added to be used.
Yes, the Woz made a great little machine. Steve Jobs supplied the pretty logo, and probably the price.
Then there's the quest of smaller, sleeker, lighter designs which everyone else is copying. No contributions? Hah!
Which came available as the manufacturing capabilities for some of the more exotic stuff (LCD Screens, touch screens, etc.) came available. Again, Jobs didn't build any of it. He simply screamed at his Engineers to implement it as this stuff came available.
But let's put all this aside. I can conclude from what you have written so far that you are a long term computer fan just as am I, so I don't really see where we are doing any good for ourselves or anyone else to keep this animosity going.
I am not impressed much by Steve Jobs. From what I have read of him so far, he does not strike me as deserving the credit he gets, but I have a lot of respect for Steve Wozniak, and I admire the work he has done and the good engineering of the products subsequently produced by his company.
Apple makes good products. That I will not dispute. However, I don't like Steve Jobs, I don't like Tim Cook, and I don't wish the company well. I think the company is now pushing political ideology which is destructive to the nation, and I hope they either reform, or go bust.
Now lest you think i'm being unfair, I hate Microsoft too. Sometimes a lot more than Apple. If you think i'm hard on Steve Jobs, you should hear what I have to say about Bill Gates.
Scum, the whole lot of em.
Anyways, I'm not going to post any more snark at you or Swordmaker. I don't think our acting childish is doing any of us any good. We are all computer fans here. Let us just agree that this stuff is amazing and we can all look forward to even more amazing capabilities to come.
Although invented by Sony, their use was not in personal computers but was in a niche market for video production. Apple had their own design for a floppy, but because of an issue with them, decided to broker a deal with Sony to use their design as the first use in mass produced personal computers.
Regards Steve Jobs, he was no simpleton, working on electronics design work for HP. Sure, he got an assist from Steve Wozniak, but Jobs was able to hold his own with electronics. Regards Steve Wozniak, he did genius stuff in the early years but without guidance from Jobs wouldn't have amounted to much. He pretty much fell off the radar in the early 80s, while Jobs went on to bigger and greater accomplishments. All Woz does now is sign autographs for money, all while Jobs continued to contribute to pushing the envelope up to his death. That, I can respect of Jobs.
As for Microsoft, I have much disdain for them. For instance, attending courses at Microsoft and having pinhead instructors tell me to use a distinct separate password for everything, minimum of 28 characters mixed alphanumeric with symbols. Not easy if you manage hundreds of devices and need to quickly enter passwords to unlock them. But I digress.
Anyway, we're all Freepers as well as computer fans so that's all with my remarks, given with a smile.