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Windows 10 Devices Impress, But It Won't Matter Because Microsoft's Mobile Ecosystem Is Crumbling
IBT ^ | 10/7/2015 | Paul McDougall

Posted on 10/07/2015 2:57:55 PM PDT by catnipman

The fact is, the mobile purchasing decision for most consumers is now more about buying into, and sticking with, an ecosystem than it is about a particular device -- no matter how well crafted. And Microsoft’s ecosystem can’t yet compete with what’s on offer from Apple, with its iTunes store, Beats 1 streaming radio, Apple TV and other cloud services. Phones that run Google Android, meanwhile, boast more than a million apps and seamless integration with a host of services like Docs, YouTube and Gmail.

Microsoft’s problem is that most users in the U.S. already are on Android, which holds 51.4 percent of the mobile OS market, while Apple’s iOS commands 44.2 percent. Microsoft, more than a year after acquiring Nokia for $7.2 billion, holds just 2.9 percent of the market

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To: catnipman

The article completely6 ignores the fact the Microsoft is not primarily a consumer-focused company like Apple, Google, etc., but rather one that sells to businesses. It will be a long time before Microsoft is pushed out of that world.

I’m not saying it can’t happen, but the writer doesn’t even mention the much larger business services Microsoft currently has a lock on.


21 posted on 10/07/2015 7:15:12 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (As we say in the Air Force, "You know you're over the target when you start getting flak!")
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

It’s Lumia and I’ve been using mine with Verizon for two years now.


22 posted on 10/07/2015 7:45:57 PM PDT by KevinB (Barack Obama: Our first black, gay, Kenyan, Socialist, Muslim president!)
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To: Drago
When the iPhone launched it was a 1st of it’s kind smartphone.

ROFLOL!!!

http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-developers-the-history-part-one/

23 posted on 10/07/2015 9:08:35 PM PDT by tophat9000 (King G(OP)eorge III has no idea why the Americans Patriots are in rebellion... teach him why)
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To: Alas Babylon!

“The article completely6 ignores the fact the Microsoft is not primarily a consumer-focused company like “

Which must be why Microsoft spends tens of billions on advertising W10 and their surface products on TV exclusively aimed at consumers. You can’t turn on a sports show of any kind with out their products showing up everywhere all the time.

On the other hand, for all practical purposes, Microsoft has abandoned their bread and butter enterprise and business customers, completely ignoring them. Windows 8 is a cell-phone operating system and was completely ignored by the enterprise and business, and Windows 10 is actually worse for the enterprise and business than Windows 8, with its forced upgrades that are by policy completely a mystery, its complete spyware nature, and its being turned into a peer-to-peer server, pushing those very same updates onto the computers of your neighbors and competitors. Not to mention, there’s not a single new thing in Windows 10 actually useful for the enterprise and businesses: all the new things in W10 are aimed at consumers.

Like Windows 8, Windows 10 will not be picked up by the enterprise and businesses.


24 posted on 10/07/2015 10:25:42 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: catnipman
"Windows 8 is a cell-phone operating system and was completely ignored by the enterprise and business, and Windows 10 is actually worse for the enterprise and business than Windows 8, with its forced upgrades that are by policy completely a mystery, its complete spyware nature, and its being turned into a peer-to-peer server, pushing those very same updates onto the computers of your neighbors and competitors. Not to mention, there’s not a single new thing in Windows 10 actually useful for the enterprise and businesses: all the new things in W10 are aimed at consumers."

None of which is even remotely true if you actually spent time reading something other than the "tech" section of USA Today or listen to hearsay from people that seriously uses Linux Mint and think that's something useful to normal people.

Seriously is FR always the place where the absolute worse examples of garbage like this gets repeated with a straight face?
25 posted on 10/07/2015 11:37:39 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: catnipman
Not to mention, there’s not a single new thing in Windows 10 actually useful for the enterprise and businesses: all the new things in W10 are aimed at consumers.

That's absolutely rubbish!

How about the following new and, might I add, wonderful security features alone?

--Device Guard
--Device Integrity
--Domain Join to Azure AD
--Enterprise Data Protection
--Integrated Data Lose Protection (DLP)
--Windows Hello
--Microsoft Passport
--Windows Provable PC Health (PPCH)

Do you even know what a single one of these things does???

You can disagree with Microsoft as to each items ultimate effectiveness, but to say there are no new enterprise or business features is completely ignorant and frankly, embarrassing for you.

26 posted on 10/08/2015 4:51:32 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (As we say in the Air Force, "You know you're over the target when you start getting flak!")
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To: catnipman
Windows 10 is actually worse for the enterprise and business than Windows 8, with its forced upgrades that are by policy completely a mystery, its complete spyware nature, and its being turned into a peer-to-peer server, pushing those very same updates onto the computers of your neighbors and competitors.

Oh, and by the way, do you know what a Servicing Branch is?

Do you know what LTSB--Long Term Servicing Branch--does for the Enterprise?

It allows Business customers to opt out of automatic updates and get and deploy updates through WSUS. Same as it always has done.

IT departments have the necessarily skilled people to ensure proper updates are managed and applied. For years Microsoft has been sued and berated for various security hacks and other code vulnerabilities BECAUSE no one applied the update that correctly addressed it/closed the hole, except for those Enterprises that had staff who knew how important it was to do so--and do it quickly, before too many script kiddies got their hands on the code.

BUT ignorant consumers--such as you--turned off updates because they heard from a guy who had a friend who knew someone who had a Microsoft update destroy their system. This caused FAR, FAR more problems than the near-mythological system destroying update. And when such an unlikely update is applied and does do damage, it is almost always because the system is configured incorrectly anyways.

So now these updates are just going to be done, so they cannot be ignored and have some script kiddie destroy the system...

Still, there are many ways to turn them off--and all the other scary things you mentioned.

27 posted on 10/08/2015 5:11:53 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (As we say in the Air Force, "You know you're over the target when you start getting flak!")
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To: Alas Babylon!

opt out is only for those with Enterprise version of W10. Small businesses don’t use Enterprise, they use W10 Pro, which does not have opt out, nor do W10 Pro users have access to update descriptions like Enterprise does.

Gotta love Microsoft pointlessly keeping that info secret from their biz and consumer customers. Why? Because they can. At least for now. Since they’re rapidly losing the consumer market and more slowly losing the business market.


28 posted on 10/08/2015 8:05:23 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Pretty much all those things you name are nearly useless for the average business customer or are unlikely to work in the case of the so-called “security” improvements. I’ve yet to see a “security” feature that can’t be bypassed on a Microsoft OS, because Windows is inherently insecure, always has been and always will be.


29 posted on 10/08/2015 8:09:31 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: catnipman
Gotta love Microsoft pointlessly keeping that info secret from their biz and consumer customers.

No. Widely available information.

Small businesses can and do purchase volume licenses (that's what Enterprise is) rather than Retail (Windows Pro) and can leverage the costs very well. They have the opportunity, even if they do not take it.

All of your comments are the comments I usually hear from the massively misinformed. I am a Microsoft Certified Trainer, teach every week, teach server and client support classes every week, and anyone of my IT Pro students are considerably more knowledgeable than you. I also teach Linux Sys Admin, Shell scripting and Network support so I am not a Microsoft mouthpiece, but I do know IT support and both myself and any of my professional students keep up-to-date on the technology. The fact of the matter is most Enterprise level systems run Microsoft software.

30 posted on 10/08/2015 8:18:55 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (As we say in the Air Force, "You know you're over the target when you start getting flak!")
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To: catnipman
That's simply preposterous!!!

Do you even KNOW what Device Guard is?

So what exactly is Device Guard?

  Well it’s a device configuration for Windows that literally locks the device down, just like we do on Windows Phone, such that it can only run trusted applications. If the app isn’t trusted Windows won’t allow it to run. (By Trust Microsoft means digital signatures using AES 256-bit encryption.)

  Platform or app vulnerability related bypasses can be mitigated using virtualization technology meaning that even if an attacker manages to gain control of the kernel they still couldn’t run malicious executable code..

  The decision making on what can run vs not is performed in the Hypervisor Windows Code Integrity services which has been moved out of Windows and runs alongside it in a hyper-v protected container that we call a Virtual Secure Mode (VSM). The service determines what’s trustworthy vs not based on signatures that are configuring using Windows policy.

As mentioned before Device Guard mode is supported for both Universal and Win32 apps. Trust is established when apps are signed using either the Windows store publishing process or a web service that ISV’s and Enterprises can use to sign their own applications.

  The signatures that Microsoft uses to sign apps aren’t any old signatures. They’re special and either roll up to Microsoft's certificate authority, one you trust, or your own. In other words the apps need to be more than signed. They need to be signed using a signature that Microsoft or you believe is trustworthy.

  The apps signing process is automatic for apps that are published through the Windows store and for ISV’s and Enterprises that want to sign their own apps Microsoft provides them with access to a secure web service. The webs service can sign actual binaries or it can sign what they call a catalog file which is basically a hash table for the apps binaries. The catalog file can easily be generated using a tool that will run simulates the app setup process and generates and the file as the output.

This is part of my course on Windows 10. I then go on to turn on Device Guard and then everyone does in the lab.

If you send me your personal info in a PM I'll get you in the next class for free, but you have to pay your own T&E!

31 posted on 10/08/2015 8:32:04 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (As we say in the Air Force, "You know you're over the target when you start getting flak!")
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To: Alas Babylon!

SMALL businesses DO NOT PURCHASE volume licenses.


32 posted on 10/08/2015 11:30:24 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Alas Babylon!

“All of your comments are the comments I usually hear from the massively misinformed.”

I’ve got 20 years experience in installing and maintaining Windows systems on thousands of systems for hundreds of business and consumer clients across a very large spectrum of needs and usage, so all of my remarks are based on a HUGE amount of real life experience. I also happen to have both BS and MS degrees in computer science and was chief network engineer for a large government outfit.

So, in this case, you’re hearing these remarks from someone who is highly informed.


33 posted on 10/08/2015 11:37:00 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: RinaseaofDs

That’s why few developers support Apple. I can get started developing for Windows for free, ditto for Android except for the $25 registration to put apps on the Play Store. It costs thousands to do anything with Apple.


34 posted on 10/08/2015 11:17:39 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I don't run; if you see me running, you should run too.)
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