[Leaning Right]

I'll be honest with you. When I did a first listen of the clip, I thought Matthews did say that Obama was born in Indonesia. And that startled me, to say the least.

So I went back and listened again, more carefully. Now I think Matthews was referring to Bob Kerrey’s comments. But it's tough to be sure. Matthews often speaks in a mushy sort of way.

[Brown Deer]

Now I think Matthews was referring to Bob Kerrey’s comments.

In a statement about Hillary?