Inside the Waco Twin Peaks Biker Shootout with Biker Richard Luther

TheLipTV2 ^ | August 31, 2015 | TheLipTV2

[ExyZ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=any4cI6nAf8&index=1&list=PLPnLjoW07bV0zxAVQcjXZoHLibjuRoZas

The Waco shootout at a Twin Peaks restaurant flooded with bikers from clubs such as the Cossacks, the Bandidos, and many more is explained with witness, Richard Luther. Luther’s experience as a Cossack, the shootout, thoughts on a possible conspiracy, and the 33 days he would go on to spend in jail after the shootout is explored. Learn the ugly truth about the police handling of the situation, the cruel and unusual punishment that bikers suffered in jail, and the pieces of the puzzle that don’t add up, in this Antidote interview hosted by Michael Parker.

[TexasGator]

“My concern is with the subsequent actions by the State. I do not find those subsequent actions to be justified, legal, moral or acceptable - whether or not the bikers fired first or the State did. You do.”

The only alternative for you is that the bikers continued their killing of each other possibly even killing innocent civilians.

Thank you for your honesty.

[don-o]

The one thing that stood out to me was Luther giving his recollection of hearing pistol fire then "within seconds" rifle fire. Said it sounded like Viet Nam. Frustrating thing was the interviewer did not press him for any detail, like "How many seconds? Five? Fifteen? Thirty?"

Upon a second listen...he states that the rifle fire commenced a "half second" after the pistol fire.

[don-o]

3. Cossacks dissed Bandidos.
4. Cossacks charged Bandidos.

There you go again, Sarge. Need a time stamp to find where Luther says the Cossacks were dissed. (Clue: There ain't one.)

Same needed for "Cossacks charged..."

[Osage Orange]

Good post.

[Boogieman]

“there’s a large difference”

No, with biker gangs, it can be a difference of seconds. As soon as one of them pulls a gun, it is going to become a gunfight, guaranteed.

[Robert Teesdale]

The only alternative for you is that the bikers continued their killing of each other possibly even killing innocent civilians.

Thank you for your honesty.

I do not understand your post, so please clarify rather than putting words in my mouth or attributing positions to me that I have not espoused. I'll be happy to assist with that.

Here's my assessment of the situation, as I hold it today:

• The COCI meetings in Texas had been regular and unremarkable until this event, held at the Twin Peaks and other venues, and the management of the Twin Peaks was not receptive to law enforcement urging to cancel the event as it appeared to have no historical basis in fact.
  
  
• Law enforcement was heavily prepositioned for this event, including camera poles, at least one armored vehicle, sniper positioning and union attorneys.
  
  
• Law enforcement appears to have played a large role in the presence of the Cossacks at an event held by an organization they were not members of.
  
  
• Law enforcement does not act without purpose, plan or contingencies. The show of force was with the expectation that such level of force would potentially be exercised in full.
  
  
• The initial disturbance appears to have been the rolling of a motorcycle over a foot in the parking lot, with subsequent exchange of hostile words, blows and gunfire between bikers resulting in at least two and as many as four deaths.
  
  
• The initial disturbance and its rapid escalation is an easily arranged situation, were such outcome as we've seen to be desirable to any party or parties.
  
  
• It is reported that the Cossacks have law enforcement embedded within their organization, either with or without the knowledge of that organization. There are reports that a prospect or former patchholder (it is not entirely clear which) of the Cossacks was involved with the invitation and decision process. That process resulted in attendance by the Cossacks at an event they were not invited to by the event hosts.
  
  
• Immediately the initial fracas ensued, there was voluminous gunfire and chaos. That gunfire was accurate (per autopsy reports of headshots) enough to kill at least four and as many as seven more people and cause serious injuries to over a score of others.
  
  
• Mass arrests instantly followed on fill-in-the-blank warrants with unreasonable bail for unlawful purposes in direct contradiction of the First, Second, Fourth, Fifth and Eighth Amendments.
  
  
• Law enforcement conduct transitioned from organized, expert and coherently executed action to panicky, inaccurate public statements with extremely poor coordination and missteps in the post event handling (such as warnings of "mass biker C4 attacks on law enforcement") and the appointment of a law enforcement detective involved in the events as a jury foreman.
  
  
• Despite the armed presence on the scene of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; the Department of Homeland Security; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; and other law enforcement entities - there has been no media statement, information released regarding their participation, or other communication released to the public that I am aware of. I find that highly suspect.
  
  

I draw the following conclusions at this point:

• This was an engineered occurance.
  There was no gradual escalation of law enforcement presence at Texas Confederation of Clubs events. This was an expected occurance. It was precipitated by what appears to be a law enforcement hand in the mix.
  
  
• There is an official effort to avoid release of the actual story.
  Mass warrants with fill in the blank names and capital charges with unreasonable bail are bad law enforcement, bad judicial accompaniments, and bad media relations. That appears by design, and does in fact focus the "WTF element" of media scrutiny off the fact of death and rights violations onto procedural questions and ridiculous trivialities.
  
  
• This is a watershed event.
  Just as Ruby Ridge, the siege and killing of the Branch Davidians, Oklahoma City, and the ongoing unrest in Ferguson and Baltimore among others have gradually and predictably notched forward the heat of our low intensity conflict - this disaster in Waco is doing the same, and in a framework of low intensity conflict moving from mostly subsurface to open engagement.
  
  
• This open low intensity conflict is going to get worse.
  Nearly all parties to this conflict would like to see it de-escalate and subside, and a sense of trusted and unmilitarized community be restored. None of the parties involved know how to reach that point, as they are focused on fear and existential risk past the point of dialogue.
  
  
• Sides are being taken.
  Declarations are being made; shots are being fired; men in uniform are killing and being killed in return; the nation is split; and the future is uncertain. The intensity will grow until those who refuse to take sides, will be forced to support one or the other under armed compulsion. (This is not unusual for any civil insurrection that broadens and deepens.)
  
  

That's just my $.02. I know where I stand in it. Those who need to know where I stand in it, do. Those who don't, of course may speculate to their endless delight and palsied amusement.

- RT

[Robert Teesdale]

No, with biker gangs, it can be a difference of seconds. As soon as one of them pulls a gun, it is going to become a gunfight, guaranteed.

I believe you miss my point, and it may help to clarify. I am referring to the mindset involved and not necessarily the actions devolving from that mindset. There is a large difference between throwing caution to the wind and risking arrest and imprisonment by committing the relatively minor crimes of disorderly conduct, assault and criminal mischief in the presence of law enforcement - and throwing caution to the wind and committing open public murder under the rifle sights and recording devices of law enforcement.

[Boogieman]

“And that is all it is, discussion. No one is rolling up at your home to physically convince you otherwise.”

Ah well, that’s easy for you to say when FReepers haven’t revealed your personal info and physically threatened you with retribution over your comments.

[Boogieman]

Well, I think that just shows you don’t know these peoples’ mindset. There is no large difference for them. Loyalty to the club is a higher priority to them than any of these concerns that you hypothesize would influence them. If a rival club pulls guns, they are going to pull too, without even thinking about it. These people don’t fool around and “weigh the odds” once the violence starts. They play for keeps.

[Boogieman]

“The COCI meetings in Texas had been regular and unremarkable until this event, held at the Twin Peaks and other venues, and the management of the Twin Peaks was not receptive to law enforcement urging to cancel the event as it appeared to have no historical basis in fact.”

No, the COCI meeting was never held at Twin Peaks before, or in Waco before, for the entire history of the organization. The venue was moved (by the Bandidos) to Waco only for this event.

[Robert Teesdale]

Ah well, that’s easy for you to say when FReepers haven’t revealed your personal info and physically threatened you with retribution over your comments.

I have been physically stalked and my home broken into. I'm aware of the visceral reactions such violation of sanctity can provoke. These days I am more sanguine about drama; either the dog gets them, or it doesn't. Either I then get them, or I don't. Fussing doesn't add value.

The belaboring of the intemperate is not guidance for the wise.

[Robert Teesdale]

Well, I think that just shows you don’t know these peoples’ mindset. There is no large difference for them. Loyalty to the club is a higher priority to them than any of these concerns that you hypothesize would influence them. If a rival club pulls guns, they are going to pull too, without even thinking about it. These people don’t fool around and “weigh the odds” once the violence starts. They play for keeps.

So do patriots.

And there are always fools. As another poster said, quite correctly, bikers by and large are not fools.

[Robert Teesdale]

No, the COCI meeting was never held at Twin Peaks before, or in Waco before, for the entire history of the organization. The venue was moved (by the Bandidos) to Waco only for this event

I recall reading that the Twin Peaks management had hosted a TCOCI meeting before. I would be interested in any link you can provide.

[AMDG&BVMH]

I heard that too. I took notes, but not time-stamps.

Luther describes that, because of the weather, they drove to Waco from Collin County in two pick-up trucks. There were he, Prospect [that would be Cliff who is now paralyzed from the waist down] and his wife; Luther’s Cossack Club President [don’t know who he is] and wife, and the county Scimitar Club President [don’t know who he is either]. Didn’t get the total count of wives present.

He describes their arrival in the two pick-up trucks, noticing the various marked and unmarked LE presence, and does indeed state that he felt relieved because the LE were there to provide “coverage” in case the Bandidos started anything.

He stated that the parties in the two pick-up trucks separated; the men went on to TP, the wives took the other pick-up truck to meet other “POs” which he clarified meant “Property Of.”

So this is the section of the interview to review to get his take on the presence of LE.

Luther’s is the first testimony wherein it is revealed that Prospect was a former Bandido.

Luther states that the Bandidos entered the South entrance, the North entrance, and Don Carlos parking lot. Cossacks are being flanked! he concluded.

Then the Dallas Bandido group rolls into the patio parking lot, where Prospect was watching the Cossack bikes. This is when all Hades breaks out. And it makes sense. Not only was a Cossack “Prospect” “impeding” the Dallas County Bandido President’s parking options, said Cossack Prospect was a former Bandido! Talk about disrespect!

As has been stated here and elsewhere, “disrespect” is a capital crime in gang culture, and gang members are willing to BE KILLED! [see Campbell], as well as merely go to jail, or even prison for no small term, for defending the club/gang HONOR. Doesn’t matter how many Waco cops were there, or all the Kings Horses and all the Kings Men. Some things are more important to them.

[Boogieman]

“A regional meeting for the Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents (a bona fide political organization centered on Constitutional rights) was scheduled, and a prominent member of the Bandidos was the key-note speaker at the meeting. This Bandido key-note speaker was to report on the National Coalition of Motorcyclist event that occurred weeks earlier. Because COCI members from across the state were expected to attend this special meeting, it was purposefully scheduled in Waco, TX, a central city between Austin and Dallas.”

http://www.kxxv.com/story/29381886/bandidos-saddened-by-twin-peaks-demand-waco-pd-release-evidence

That’s from the Bandidos’ own press release. This was a scheduled meeting of COCI District 1 and Waco is NOT in District 1. I believe the police affidavits note that the District 1 meetings were always held in Austin before this, for twenty years or more.

[Robert Teesdale]

That’s from the Bandidos’ own press release. This was a scheduled meeting of COCI District 1 and Waco is NOT in District 1. I believe the police affidavits note that the District 1 meetings were always held in Austin before this, for twenty years or more.

Thanks for the link, but the Twin Peaks restaurant was not mentioned in the press release nor any other venue as the usual or unusual site for District 1 or any other TCOCI district meetings.

[Boogieman]

Well go look on the Texas COCI website and see for yourself if Waco is in District 1.

The affidavits do specifically mention this stuff about the meeting being changed and never having been held in Waco, let alone Twin Peaks before.

[Robert Teesdale]

Well go look on the Texas COCI website and see for yourself if Waco is in District 1.

Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents - District Map

Waco could easily be considered a locale for District 1. That's not really the point. Was this specific Twin Peaks restaurant the venue for any TCOCI meetings previously?

The affidavits do specifically mention this stuff about the meeting being changed and never having been held in Waco, let alone Twin Peaks before.

Well, that's fine. I presume you have links to those police affidavits? I would like to read them.

[TexasGator]

“This was an engineered occurance.
There was no gradual escalation of law enforcement presence at Texas Confederation of Clubs events. This was an expected occurance. “

This was the first confederation meeting in Waco. Previous ones had been held in Austin but this was moved to Waco in order to put it in Cossack ‘territory’.

Police had to ‘quiet’ situations at the previous biker nights at the WACO Twin Peaks so there was history.

Waitresses at the WACO Twin Peaks said the bikers were ‘always’ fighting so there was history.

History of multiple violent events between the two clubs.

Meeting moved to Waco.

Indications of bikers coming from all over the state.

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“It was precipitated by what appears to be a law enforcement hand in the mix.”

Conspiracy theorists have alleged that it was precipitated by a law enforcement hand in the mix!

WTF. The dude that started it was a high ranking Bandido, NOT an undercover.

[Boogieman]

If you can’t bother to google “Waco police affidavits”, I can’t be bothered to do it for you.