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To: BroJoeK

Your idea of the word ‘civil” is, like all your other arguments so totally blind and one sided that you can’t as I’ve mentioned before, open your eyes to anything else beyond your narrow perception which is known as “Tunnel Vision.”

Your use of “Total population is a sly way of avoiding and altering the overall effect of Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation which was dated in JANUARY 1863, well after the beginning of the war.

Your sources and mine do not agree. I’ll leave it at that.


711 posted on 08/27/2015 1:47:27 PM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Mollypitcher1; HandyDandy; rockrr
Mollypitcher1: "Your idea of the word ‘civil” is, like all your other arguments so totally blind and one sided..."

No, "civil" means civil, as in how many civilians were killed in the war?
In the Second World War that number is: around 50 million.
In the US Civil War that number has never been credibly counted, though actual records show dozens, a few hundred maybe, all told.

Yes, with so many young men away and killed, fewer babies born, the population growth rate did sag a bit, maybe, or maybe it was just poor counting in 1870.
At any rate, by 1880, Southern populations were back to where they would have been otherwise.

And I'm truly sorry if that doesn't match up to the mythology you learned as a child, but as President Reagan used to say: "facts are stubborn things."

Mollypitcher1: "Your use of “Total population is a sly way of avoiding and altering the overall effect of Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation which was dated in JANUARY 1863, well after the beginning of the war."

I don't "get" your point here...
Total slaves in 1860 were around four million, of whom 90% lived in the 11 Confederate states.

The Union Army had been informally freeing "contraband property" slaves since almost the war's beginning, and Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was first released on September 22, 1862, after Union victory at the Battle of Antietam/Sharpsburg, September 17.
Final release was January 1, 1863.

Beginning in December 1863, Congress considered bills for a 13th Amendment abolishing slavery throughout the United States.
That amendment passed Congress in early 1865, was fully ratified in December 1865.

So, tell us please, what exactly is your problem with all this?

732 posted on 08/27/2015 4:52:31 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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