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To: DoodleDawg
I wouldn't be so sure about that. You're 500 posts late to the party and most of what you just claimed has been debated and refuted long before now.

Well sure, if you call making a lot of exteraneous noise about side issues a "debate", but none of it refuted the main point.

The Declaration of Independence establishes a moral and legal right to leave a Nation that no longer serves the interests of it's People.

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Years ago I read an interesting thing. Some Liberal anthropologist used to write about how loving monkeys were, and how they never fought or hurt each other.

She mentioned how a group of them had separated from the main troop, and were apparently establishing their own troop.

Then one day, the monkeys from the main troop attacked the smaller separate troop and slaughtered them. She was aghast, because she had always thought of these monkeys as peaceful and loving, but here they were, massacring their relatives because they had the temerity to leave the control of the Alpha monkey.

I guess some things don't really change, do they?

541 posted on 08/19/2015 12:53:12 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Well if you want to equate the Confederate leadership with a bunch of apes flinging their poop around then go right ahead.


542 posted on 08/19/2015 12:55:24 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DiogenesLamp; DoodleDawg; rockrr; PeaRidge
DiogenesLamp: "The Declaration of Independence establishes a moral and legal right to leave a Nation that no longer serves the interests of it's People."

No, once again, you've misread what is clearly written and understood: Our Founders' 1776 Declaration of Independence has nothing to do with your allegations of a "right to secede" at pleasure for any reason, or for no particular reason.

They said nothing of the sort.
Instead, our Founders began using words like "necessary", "requires" and "impels...separation".
This had nothing to do with "at pleasure" or a "right of separation", but rather with the utter necessity of it, based on a long accumulation of reasons which they then listed, in detail.
Founders' reasons included, most importantly, the fact that Brits had already, 18 months before, effectively declared war on them, and by July 1776 fought at least 19 battles resulting in American deaths, injuries, captures and destruction of property..

No such reasons remotely resembling the seriousness of 1776 existed in 1860, when Deep South Fire Eaters began to organize conventions to declare secession, at pleasure.

690 posted on 08/27/2015 9:50:37 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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