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To DH, or not to DH?
Columbia-Greene Media ^ | Friday, July 3, 2015 | Vince Ginardi

Posted on 07/26/2015 12:25:06 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican

In 1973, Major League Baseball changed forever. Following a year when the American League recorded a batting average of .239, the AL instituted the designated hitter rule, allowing a team to place a hitter in the batting order instead of forcing the team’s pitcher to step up to the plate. Since that season, there has been an imbalance between the AL and the National League — which still requires a spot in the batting order for the team’s pitcher.

Now, more than 40 years later, talks of making the two leagues consistent have begun to heat up once again. “It’s interesting, I have never been bothered that’s there’s a little difference between the two leagues. I love to hear people fight about it,” MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred said on a New York Yankees broadcast in early June. “I’m a big one for the idea that if people are talking about baseball, it’s good for all of us. I think it’s a great source of debate.”

It didn’t take long for the debate to start this season. On April 26, St. Louis Cardinals star pitcher Adam Wainwright suffered a season-ending Achilles tendon tear while at bat, leading many — MLB players included — to question the reasoning behind forcing pitchers to hit in the NL.

“If you look at it from the macro side, who’d people rather see hit — Big Papi or me?,” Washington Nationals pitcher Max Scherzer said following Wainright’s injury, according to CBS Sports. “Who would people rather see, a real hitter hitting home runs or a pitcher swinging a wet newspaper? Both leagues need to be on the same set of rules.”


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KEYWORDS: justno; no; nodh; nono
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To: MinorityRepublican

Scherzer used to be pretty mediocre but worked on his game and has been lights out the past couple of seasons.

His logic is unsound though, if you’re gonna have a DH for the pitcher why not just DH for every other lousy hitter on the team?


21 posted on 07/26/2015 5:23:46 AM PDT by Rome2000 (SMASH THE CPUSA)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I’ve always hated the DH. However, as an Astros fan, I’m stuck with it now because the Astros were forced to move to the AL as condition of selling the team. I miss the strategy that used to be part of the game when it came time to make the decision to pinch-hit or not. Besides, with both of the Astros’ first basement hitting below .200, they are the ones who need a DH. A pitcher could hit as well.


22 posted on 07/26/2015 5:47:41 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Psalm 14:1 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”)
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To: BigEdLB
I present two words against the DH. Don Drysdale.

I remember seeing the Dodgers use Drysdale as a pinch hitter.

23 posted on 07/26/2015 5:50:02 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Psalm 14:1 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Braves pitcher Tony Cloninger is only player to hit 2 grand slams in same game. Missed a third by 1 foot. 9 RBI’s.


24 posted on 07/26/2015 5:57:49 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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#1 - Owners and media want offense.

#2 - Players want an extra higher-paid spot on the roster instead of a minimum salary guy.

Almost no one else matters as long as revenue keeps coming in.


25 posted on 07/26/2015 6:05:19 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: MinorityRepublican

I agree. No DH for either. I also like the comment of why don’t we have an offense and defense team in baseball like football....that would be interesting.


26 posted on 07/26/2015 6:13:03 AM PDT by Thorliveshere (Minnesota Survivor)
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To: Thorliveshere

8 man batting rotation is a good thought but won’t work. It changes the entire game. No more “cleanup hitter” and the strategy for the game changes dramatically.

Simplest thing to do, let pitchers hit, or if you want a DH, he will always hit in the 9th spot of the order. If you move the DH to the 9th spot, a ball club will save on average 15 million a year, due to no longer a need for that 30 home run hitter.

Baseball is pure and needs to stay that way. The AL is not pure, it’s entertainment.


27 posted on 07/26/2015 6:25:42 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Change the Defense of Marriage Act to the Defense of Holy Matrimony Act. Game, set match.)
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To: BigEdLB

I met him once, a long time ago. He was in a foul mood because it was cold and snowing in Vermont in November.

Kind of a douche. Maybe it was a bad day.

But seeing some other pitcher brush him back would have been kind of fun.


28 posted on 07/26/2015 6:29:09 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Ah, good points!


29 posted on 07/26/2015 6:41:19 AM PDT by Thorliveshere (Minnesota Survivor)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Having watched five decades in a AL city and then three years in a NL city, I am ready to say that like the French Enlightenment, the DH is a failed theory of the game.


30 posted on 07/26/2015 6:58:07 AM PDT by KC Burke (Ceterum censeo Islam esse delendam)
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To: RockyTx

First off there are lots of pitchers who can hit, and they should. Second, I hate ‘players’ like David Ortiz who can’t play in the field. Baseball players play both sides, hell just have an offensive and defensive team!

Yes, I have played a lot of baseball, through college, and couldn’t call myself a baseball player if I was a DH


31 posted on 07/26/2015 6:58:53 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: MinorityRepublican
I'm an AL guy myself (I grew up a Yankee fan), but I'm not a big fan of the DH. Having said that, I believe there is an inherent "flaw" in baseball that weighs heavily against having pitchers bat.

The basic problem is that pitchers don't pitch every day the way most players can (theoretically) play every game in a 162-game season. As a result, any pitcher in high school and college who develops as a solid hitter is going to face a choice between pitching every fifth or sixth day, or playing a regular position every day. This is exactly how Babe Ruth ended up migrating from a star pitcher to an everyday outfielder back in his early years with the Red Sox.

I can see why fans like the strategy of the NL game, but baseball should not be played in such a way that a manager regularly faces a dilemma in the later innings: whether or not to pinch-hit for a starting pitcher who is pitching well but is an awful hitter. To me, the appeal of the DH isn't that it promotes more offense, but that it takes this idiotic element out of the game.

32 posted on 07/26/2015 7:12:08 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: Paulie
My position has always been the same: no DH for either league.

It’s part of the game right from Little League, it should stay that way.

Nope, it's not "part of the game". There are five minor league levels -- rookie, A, Advanced A, AA and AAA. Pitchers do not hit in the lower three levels. And games between AL farm clubs at the AA and AAA levels employ the DH.

At the professional level, the pitcher-as-hitter is the exception rather than the rule.

33 posted on 07/26/2015 7:26:26 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: FredZarguna
No DH. Ever. If the AL wants to start playing baseball again, we welcome them back.

Every poll that MLB has taken of its fans shows a 50/50 split for and against the DH.

The 50% for comes from AL cities. The 50% against comes from NL cities.

Which goes to prove that fans in both leagues are getting what they want.

Ergo, why change it?

34 posted on 07/26/2015 7:30:11 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: clee1
Personally, I don’t care. BUT.... both leagues need to be the same.Personally, I don’t care. BUT.... both leagues need to be the same.

Why?

As it is right now, each league's fans are getting what they want.

Why change that?

35 posted on 07/26/2015 7:32:52 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: MinorityRepublican

wow, this is a never ending debate isn’t it?

Sort of like how guys of a certain age, who watched Gilligan’s Island, would debate : Ginger or Mary Anne.


36 posted on 07/26/2015 7:37:55 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: JohnBrowdie

no DH. no artificial turf. no wild card. no unbalanced schedule. no interleague play.


To that, I would add, let’s trim back the regular season so that we don’t have November baseball. This year, the World Series will end in November.

I enjoy baseball but the season is too long, what with all these layers of playoffs, and they end up playing the most important games of the year in bad baseball weather sometimes. Bad weather which could be avoided if they simply slice a few weeks off the calendar.


37 posted on 07/26/2015 7:40:58 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: MinorityRepublican

No DH! It’s a team sport. If you’re on the team, you take a turn at bat just like everyone else. No prima donnas.


38 posted on 07/26/2015 7:41:25 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Cruz or Lose 2016)
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To: okie01

I stand corrected then.

To me, having a DH just takes something away from the integrity of the game.

Having the pitcher hit is one more variable that would make baseball less predictable and thereby more interesting.


39 posted on 07/26/2015 7:45:26 AM PDT by Paulie (America without Christianity is like a Chemistry book without the periodic table.)
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To: Paulie
Having the pitcher hit is one more variable that would make baseball less predictable and thereby more interesting.

I spent the last twenty years working in baseball and don't really have a dog in the race. But I'm of the view that the argument is good for the game.

I will say this though: I detest watching the pitcher hit. By and large, you know what's going to happen as he approaches the plate. If there's nobody on, he'll swing away and make an out. If there is a baserunner and there are less than two outs, he'll attempt to bunt.

And we can all pretty much pre-determine when the situation calls for a pinch-hitter. So much for "strategy".

Pitchers don't work on their hitting...because they're paid to pitch.

As a consequence, if you measure it decade-by-decade, pitchers have become worse hitters every decade since the 1910's.

40 posted on 07/26/2015 8:09:38 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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