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To: DiogenesLamp
DiogenesLamp: "the Declaration was the founding document.
It was the one that created the nation, and nothing inconsistent with it can be rightfully supported by any subsequent acts of man."

Most people do not consider the US Constitution in any way inconsistent with the Declaration of Independence.

But regardless, the Constitution replacing the old Articles of Confederation is our current government's Founding Document, and any interpretation of it must begin with Founders' original intent.
Without reference to original intent, you have no basis on which to measure anything except your own personal definitions of words, definitions which can easily turn the Constitution into total mush.

Our Founders' original intent was that disunion must be by mutual consent or material breach of compact, regardless of your personal opinions on the subject.

DiogenesLamp: "I shot down that garbage argument in the last message.
Secondly, you can't override a principle rooted in the power of "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" with acts of men."

You shot nothing except your own mouth off, FRiend.
Your arguments are false.

The US Constitution overrides your personal opinions every day, every hour, every minute of the day.
Your personal opinions count for nothing beside the original intent of our Founders' Constitution.
For better or for worse, that's the ratified law -- as modified by subsequent amendments -- on which our republic is based.
And most people would not concede a discrepancy between Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

634 posted on 07/30/2015 1:43:06 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
Most people do not consider the US Constitution in any way inconsistent with the Declaration of Independence.

No they don't, and mostly it isn't, but some try to claim it has a higher authority than does the Declaration, and this is certainly wrong. I would also point out that most people think Obama is a good idea, so I would say the concept of "most people" as a determiner of valid thinking is not a very good methodology.

But regardless, the Constitution replacing the old Articles of Confederation is our current government's Founding Document, and any interpretation of it must begin with Founders' original intent.

I'm not sure you are grasping the meaning of "founding" in this context. There can be only one "founding" document. The other one is more or less just rules for governing, the "founding" document is the one that created the Nation. The operating charter is just a set of rules for running it. We've had two so far.

Without reference to original intent, you have no basis on which to measure anything except your own personal definitions of words, definitions which can easily turn the Constitution into total mush.

"Original Intent" is that a group of Slave Owning States had a God given right to gain independence from a Larger Union.

The rest of what you wrote is just drivel, and not cognizant enough to bother with rebutting.

656 posted on 07/30/2015 4:15:55 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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