I am not interested in trying to decipher your rationalized gobbledygook.
I'm getting to the point where I find very few of you even worth the trouble to read. You won't get the sequence of events right. You won't get the philosophical underpinnings right. You won't comprehend the Zeitgeist of the periods in discussion. You simply have a position and you insist on espousing it despite contradictory information.
By the way, you ought to frame your sentence up above. That one is a real keeper. I can think of no better advertisement to others regarding your inability to comprehend the matter, then that sentence of yours. I stopped reading right there. It would be a favor to everyone else to let them stop reading right there too.
Do everyone a favor. Start your messages with that sentence.
Maybe you've forgotten, but it was you who pinged me to this thread (see your post 13 above). ;-)
Someday, if you ever get a chance, maybe you could explain what underlies your desire to separate us as Americans. Specifically, what has caused you to feel so alienated from the USA? I feel so lucky to have been born here. I have had so many opportunities here that just don't exist elsewhere. Have you found nothing good here in this country? Has it all been a failure for you?
I've seen enough of other parts of the world to find it truly amazing that you could so detest this country that you want to chop it up because of some vague hope (an irrational hope, I think) that you might somehow find something marginally better for you than what you've got here and now. No one agrees with everything about America, but you're never going to find a place where that's not true. And, because nearly everyone understands that, you're not likely to find many other people who will share your secessionist dreams anytime soon.
But, I wonder - how did things get so bad for you? And, do you really think it's completely our fault?