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National Review Editor: Sorry, Donald Trump Has a Point
Breitbart ^ | July 1, 2015 | From Rich Lowry, Editor of National Review, at Politico Magazine:

Posted on 07/02/2015 3:45:45 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network

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To: jaydee770

You write: He seems all about the deal...

Yes, it is all about the DEAL! The DEAL to save America. For his kids, grand kids and the future generations of ORIGINAL AMERICANS.

THAT IS THE DEAL!


21 posted on 07/02/2015 7:12:04 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Paulie

I hope he keeps speaking out. It is time some one spoke honestly about the rape of our border and the kinds of undesirables Rubio and Jeb want to reward with citizenship.


22 posted on 07/02/2015 7:12:52 AM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: DH
Come down here to South Texas and you would think you are in a foreign country...mainly Mexico.

I live in south San Diego. When I go to a market I'm part of a 10% English-speaking minority. And then there's the huge, largely Mexican city 125 miles north.

23 posted on 07/02/2015 7:13:21 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: Paulie
A billionaire with hundreds of millions at his disposal.

Do you give any credence to those who say his personal fortune is between $150,000,000 and $250,000,000? I'm not one of them.

24 posted on 07/02/2015 7:15:55 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

If the upper middle class was coming nobody would squawk about it.


25 posted on 07/02/2015 7:30:19 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: bkepley

“if he wasn’t such an idiot”

When a better candidate starts speaking out, I’ll listen to him. But for now Trump is the only one astride history yelling “Stop!”
But as it is we have the magazine that fired John Derbyshire for trying to protect his children as Jesse Jackson admits he protects himself by using discretion in situations using expressions like (Trump’s words accusing foreign invaders contain) “a kernel of truth” and the word “immigrant” about a dozen times.
They’re ALL foreign alien criminals here illegally. If they were Guatemalans in Mexico, Mexico would eject them faster than they entered.
Anyone who doesn’t understand the above is a useful idiot for the left and probably subscribes to National Review.
Btw, in trumpesque spirit—NR sucks since Bill Buckley died.
Go Trump.


26 posted on 07/02/2015 7:54:05 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: tumblindice

I do subscribe to NR (for many years) along with other magazines and it is what calls itself “conservative” that has changed and not NR.


27 posted on 07/02/2015 8:02:16 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: Sacajaweau
I really think they hate our guts because their own country has done nothing to bring them out of the dark ages.

I have a cut-and-paste polemic response for those who complain "you stole our land" in the various newspaper comments section:
"At the end of the Mexican War, the border looked exactly the same for hundreds of miles in either direction. We turned our part into a generator of wealth and prosperity. What did you do with the land we let you keep? You turned it into a corrupt crime-ridden hellhole that forced people to risk their lives escaping to a better life."

Never get a reply.

28 posted on 07/02/2015 9:38:33 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate. [URL=http://media.photobucket.com/user/currencyjunkie/me)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Trump is a clown and an idiot, and he's certainly no Republican, let alone a conservative.

So, why is he getting any traction at all?

Because he's tapping into people's anger and frustration at not just Democrats, but government in general. That anger is real and is just waiting for someone to come along and give voice to it.

And let's face it, angry people often do irrational things, such as back a guy like Trump just because he says one or two things that they can agree with. In Trump's case, hopefully the veneer will come off quickly and people will realize what a terrible idea it is to even have him considered a viable candidate, let alone someone they could vote for.

However, it is an object lesson that legitimate candidates would do well to learn. Be passionate, be loud, be angry. Just be able to back it up with real ideas and a way to channel that anger into a positive vision.

29 posted on 07/02/2015 9:45:18 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: bkepley
An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, means responding to arguments by attacking a person's character, rather than to the content of their arguments. -Wikipedia
30 posted on 07/02/2015 10:34:22 AM PDT by proust
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To: proust
And that itself is ad hominem. I was responding to no argument Q.E.D. -

Q.E.D. is an initialism of the Latin phrase quod erat demonstrandum, originating from the Ancient Greek analogous hóper édei deîxai (ὅπερ ἔδει δεῖξαι), meaning "which had to be proven". The phrase is traditionally placed in its abbreviated form at the end of a mathematical proof or philosophical argument when what was specified in the enunciation—and in the setting-out—has been exactly restated as the conclusion of the demonstration.[1] The abbreviation thus signals the completion of the proof.

31 posted on 07/02/2015 10:38:18 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: bkepley

The implicit argument is “should Trump be president?” That’s why we are on this thread. Name calling is a basic logical fallacy.


32 posted on 07/02/2015 10:43:45 AM PDT by proust
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To: proust

I agree with the point of the article, that Trump has a point. I disagree that I cannot point out that Trump (or any other candidate acting like Trump) is an idiot whether you think it’s fair or not. No one got so excited when I called Rick Perry an idiot when he could not remember the three agencies he wanted to close. Hey, it’s politics not beanbag.


33 posted on 07/02/2015 10:47:24 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: DH

I remember going to Nogales with my family in the 70s. You could cross the border and buy chess sets, carved furniture and clothing. I didn’t feel unsafe, at least close to the Border.

Went there about 5 years ago. Across the border, they sold prescription drugs cheap, booze and the streets reeked of urine. The restaurant we went to had marginal food. Walking back to the border, it felt like I was being sized up for robbery. Haven’t gone back, and won’t.

The trails I used to hike as a kid? They now have signs saying, in essence, ‘Don’t feed the drug runners’. My SIL has come across drug and gun caches while out on his dirt bike.

I had an uncle who came to New Mexico in the 20s. He always praised Mexicans as hard working people. He liked most Mexicans better than most Americans. He died about 20 years ago. I don’t think he would feel that way any more.


34 posted on 07/02/2015 10:55:26 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: DH

“...Yes, it is all about the DEAL! The DEAL to save America....”

If only he came across like that. But all he has convinced me of is that he likes the *competition* of the deal and he will toss the baby with the bath-water if it means he wins and his competitor loses. His over-sized ego screams that he would trade the constitution away if it was required for him to be seen as “winning” the business deal.

I don’t trust anyone ruled entirely by their ego with that much power. Sorry. Not voting for him., Don’t know anyone who is voting for him. He alienates folks across the spectrum from moon-bat-crazy libs to strident conservatives to [fill in major -or- obscure political group here]. He strikes me as another Perot — just enough followers to tip the vote balance in favor of the Dem.

Good luck with him - You’re going to need it.


35 posted on 07/03/2015 4:57:43 PM PDT by jaydee770
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To: jaydee770

Perot was third party.


36 posted on 07/03/2015 4:59:45 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: eyedigress

“...Perot was third party...”

I don’t know if party matters if the tactic results in the same outcome. The train-wreck I see happening as the GOP primaries are flooded with 51 flavors of candidates, is they use a red-meat firebrand like Trump to ensure the primary vote gets sufficiently split so that Bush squeaks by and proceeds to the general against Hillary; ensuring Hillary gets elected.


37 posted on 07/03/2015 7:15:45 PM PDT by jaydee770
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To: jaydee770

It could happen. Anybody could “squeak” by.

We need to get the left out front and center. Mr. Trump is willing to take that hit.

He will expose anyone, now that he is under assault. He didn’t get in this to lose.

He may lose in the end primary but at least the RINO’s will ALL be exposed.


38 posted on 07/03/2015 7:40:09 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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