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To: Vermont Lt
First and foremost, I'm a save the babies guy. To me that's reducing the number of abortions, even if the cost is something that is less than ideal. I don't think you're pro-abortion. By adopting, you've earned my respect and lived it instead of just talking it.

One of the problems these days is that we do not shame people enough.

This is where our disagreement lies. I think there's way too much shaming in society today. Most of it, but not all of it, comes from the left. It's a major tool the left uses against those who stray from the company line. God forbid someone makes a comment that disagrees with the homo mafia for example. Embarrassment and shame are two major motives for murder, right behind domestic (related) and money issues.

There's been 50 million abortions in the US since Roe V Wade. It is easy for someone who has gotten pregnant to quietly go out and get an abortion and avoid the shame and embarrassment. Some who has an unplanned pregnancy is under a lot of pressure. It's happened in my extended family. If Bristol Palin went out and got an abortion, few would know. If it didn't go out to the public, there wouldn't be the finger pointing, "bastard" talk, and the like. Some other woman who got into this situation sees this type of reaction can easily go "I don't want to deal with that. I'm calling planned barrenhood." That's what I don't want to see. 25% of abortions according to one survey choose abortions due to "Do not want people to know I had sex or got pregnant." People will go to great lengths to avoid embarrassment and shame, and that includes illegal murder, let alone legal murder.

125 posted on 06/26/2015 12:11:50 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Leaning towards Cruz or Walker in 2016. No Jeb. No Graham. No Trump.)
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To: Darren McCarty

I understand your feeling. I think there is too much “peer pressure” and not shame.

Peer pressure to comply with the status quo, or the prevailing thought. Such is the case with sexuality and abortion in this country. The liberal and vocal left spout off about it.

You are right.

I am referring to go old, “Have you name shame” type of shame. There are few social consequences for someone having a child out of wedlock. The same for someone having an abortion.

Expressing or displaying your moral stand on something gets you ridicule—even when it is stated as the response to a question. For example, I have plenty of gay friends who’ve gotten “married.” I care deeply for some of these people and it pains me to express my dismay at these “ceremonies.” So, I keep my mouth shut.

But when asked, I explain my position. This has gotten me in trouble with friends and family. But interestingly not with the gay people in question—because they know I love them in my heart. I have explained to them why I would not be able to witness the ceremony. But that I support their love for each other and would never embarass them by making a scene about it. We agree to disagree.

But, I get grief. Some people would bend to the pressure. I choose not to.

That is the kind of shame that we need more of. Shame based on a moral structure. Not fads.


127 posted on 06/26/2015 12:50:37 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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