Lakota Warriors Vow to Crush Dirty Rainbow Hippies

Daily Beast ^ | 6-20-2015 | KATE BRIQUELET

[BlackAdderess]

Perhaps, but if you look at other countries, I’ll take our sad and underhanded sneakiness on both sides over anywhere else in the world. The problem from my perspective is that our party is about to be crashed in quite a wholesale fashion. Think the hippies are bad? The grumpy old Native American guy? Just wait, and may God have mercy on our country!

[Mr Rogers]

Yes. I’ve been there. The 7th covered a lot of ground that day. He had to make a plan of battle in the saddle, and what he did was not a bad choice. He didn’t realize the full extent of what he was up against until it was too late for him. 700 soldiers were not enough, but turning tail and running wasn’t acceptable either. He was in a tough spot, and he didn’t do a bad job, all things considered. Back then, survival wasn’t everything.

[FredZarguna]

From his vantage point above the encampment he would have had ample time to understand the tactical situation and to withdraw. Nobody who has been there could possibly think otherwise.

[Mr Rogers]

Odd. Virtually no historian I know of agrees with you. Just what was “his vantage point above the encampment”? When did he arrive there?

[BlackElk]

It would give the old leftist hippies a brief and final opportunity to get all teary-eyed and emotional good cry over Kent State. I don't think that the scenario I laid out would have resulted in the conviction much less the execution of any Lakota.

Did you know that the actual Black Elk was a warrior at Little Big Horn before he became a medicine man and before he was baptized and became a Catholic lay missionary for decades until his death in the 1940s?

The leftists get the hell off tribal land or they get killed and scalped and left for the vultures. Done in the dead of night. No witnesses. No persecution. No prosecution. No scars. No problem.

[FredZarguna]

Really?

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/indians-defeat-custer-at-little-big-horn

On the morning of this day in 1876, Custer’s scouts told him that a gigantic Indian village lay nearby in the valley of the Little Big Horn River. Custer dismissed the scouts’ claim that the village was extraordinarily large-certainly many thousands of Indians-as exaggerated.

Here is the battlefield:

Bigger view here: http://microsite.smithsonianmag.com/content/Little-Bighorn-Battle/images/Cover-Art.jpg

If you've actually been to the battlefield, you would know that by the time Custer reached Weir Point [actually already by the time he reaches North of location (5)], the size of the enemy arrayed against him would have become very obvious, and would have become more and more alarming by the time he reached the end of Medicine Tail Coulee [location (6) on the map.] Had he retreated to Reno Hill to rejoin his second column, he could have retreated in force, and probably escaped.

[Mr Rogers]

No credible historian agrees with you.

First, scout reports were often wrong. Second, it was not Custer’s job to AVOID a fight. Third, Custer had an excellent record in the Civil War precisely because he DID attack against odds. Fourth, the Army regularly attacked much larger bands and fought outnumbered - and won. Fifth, he couldn’t see nearly what you claim he could see. Sixth, he probably didn’t know a large number of the Indians had better rifles than he had - Henry repeaters. Seventh, there was virtually no chance whatsoever of retreating “in force” to Reno.

[BlackAdderess]

This isn’t tribal land as I understand it first of all. Secondly, how do I put this, the Native people would have done far worse under the Spanish, French, or Dutch. As bad as things were, the English were the best case scenario if it had to be anyone (and it did). There’s been a number of Native Americans who stayed on reservation land, but far more have struck out into the larger world, intermarried (most often with whites) and become one people with the rest of America.

I don’t know if you are descended from a luminary like Black Elk, or are just an admirer. My great-grandfather was not so noteworthy, though some of my white ancestors were of consequence. Either way, we are not them.

From where I sit, mercy and reconciliation are the way to go, that is informed by both my Christian faith as well as a certainty that it’s a funny old world, what goes around comes around. We are at full circle and the last thing we need to do is to waste the lessons of history and not realize that division weakens us.

The hippies are gross, but in their own weirdo way they mean well, and that is something you can work with.

[Tax-chick]

How do you come back after that?

"You will not live under this roof at my expense with a tattoo."

Of course, that would require the agreement of your wife.

We get lip from our teens sometimes, "I can do whatever I want when I'm 18!"

We respond, "And we can put you on the curb with a bag of clothes and a sign that says, 'Will do nothing for food.' Write when you find work."

[BlackAdderess]

That is an excellent point about this young lady’s mother. I would like to add that teaching by example seems to work pretty well, and that you can work effectively with both good and bad examples to get your point across, often without having to utter a word.

[RushIsMyTeddyBear]

I’m pretty tenacious and blame it on her. ;)

The story goes, she hid in the woods from the Trail of Tears roundup. A Christian family found her and adopted her. She never spoke of her Indian heritage and that was passed down to my grandmother and her siblings as they feared being sent to a reservation after all those years. She lost her parents and siblings in the Trail of Tears as far as we know.

[Tax-chick]

My oldest daughter joined the military at 18 and now has several tattoos. We’re hoping her sisters will decide not to.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Oh I forgot, on the judgment seat of the Orthodox they don’t need Jesus?

My mistake

[don-o]

You ain’t Him.

[HiTech RedNeck]

All I did is read His book and believe it. Sorry that this is ne plus ultra for you.

[FredZarguna]

Plenty of historians agree with me, and clearly, you haven't been to the battlefield.

[Old Sarge]

We respond, "And we can put you on the curb with a bag of clothes and a sign that says, 'Will do nothing for food.' Write when you find work."

THAT is EPIC! I have to remember THAT one!

[Tax-chick]

We have not yet had to use the nuclear option, although Bill and Tom have been on a verge a couple of times. (Bill would get a bin of hair products, too.)

[Mr Rogers]

Historians do not agree that Custer knew what he was getting in to and that he could have retreated to rejoin Reno. You need to read more about what the battle was like and how it progressed.

If Custer could have retreated to Reno, then Reno could have advanced to Custer. In reality, neither had much choice - there were too many Indians, and the Indians had better horses and guns than the cavalry did.

Instead of History.com, you might try:

Custer’s Last Campaign: Mitch Boyer and the Little Bighorn Reconstructed

Fights on the Little Horn: Unveiling the Mysteries of Custer’s Last Stand

The Last Stand: Custer, Sitting Bull, and the Battle of the Little Bighorn

Indian Fights and Fighters (Bison Book S) - old, but instructive of how the fight was viewed by cavalry officers of the day

Crazy Horse and Custer

There are of course many more. You should also try reading about the Civil War and the Indian Wars and the mindset of the Army in those days. Survival at any cost was known as cowardice.

Once Custer split up his force, the die was tossed. Based on Crook’s experience a week earlier, when there were fewer Indians to fight, Custer wasn’t going to get much done with a couple hundred men. It was a unique fight for those days: The Indians didn’t try to get away, or break off after a few charges. They were determined to win, and had the numbers and equipment to do so.

And yes, I’ve been to the battlefield. I haven’t ridden it on a horse, in weather similar to that day’s, and sure as heck haven’t done it when there were thousands of men and horses present. Neither have you. Put down your tour guide and do some research into what happened and how it happened.

[FredZarguna]

Your patronizing remarks are cute. I've read more books about this battle than you have, and I don't find your suggestions particularly good. I pointed you to the History Channel webpage because of the physical impossibility of href'ing you to the books on my shelf.

You claimed that "no historian" agreed with me. You now know one. There are many others for those genuinely familiar with the literature.

I again suggest you actually visit the battlefield someday. You migth be astounded at what an observant person can see, which it appears you are not, since you completely ignored what I wrote.

Your inattentiveness: had Custer been paying attention when he reached Weir Point he most certainly could have withdrawn to Reno's Hill [Colonel Custer had not yet been engaged at that time, and Reno had not retreated to that position, yet.] Put down your patronizing suppositions, and bestir yourself to read what other posters write, and you may actually learn something.