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To: zaxtres

At one part early on....the Quran was in Chronological order. Then, all copies got called in and a rewrite occurred.

I can only speculate but I think the out-of-order rewrite was done for two purposes. First, if you realize there’s two eras of Muhammad (the Mecca-peaceful period and the Medina-violent period)....then you’d ask stupid question why he had to change.

The second reason is that you’d need someone to continually keep you focused on the writings and what was being said here and meant....so you’d need a Islamic scholar at every Mosque meeting. In the way that the Catholic Church controlled their empire with a Bible only in Latin...this same technique was used by the Islamic empire. Both wanted their ‘customers’ to seek only authorized readers or scholars.


17 posted on 05/22/2015 10:22:38 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

The written form of the Quran has never been in Chronological order, here is why. The composer of the Quran, Othman, is said to have gathered all known verses and scripts that were ever written in all forms. This included bones and what not. The Quran before it was compiled in written form was always recited orally. There was no reason other than Othman’s as to why the Quran was compiled like it was. Even the Quran in Istanbul’s museum isn’t even in chronological order and this is one of the oldest Quran’s on record.

Islam does not have a scholar at every mosque nor will it ever have one. They have what are known as the Hadiths and what are authoritative interpreters. These interpreters interpret the quran and have written “their thoughts” on the matter. The Mullahs and clerics (which are not authoritarians on the words of their god as set forth in the quran, they are the messengers to the followers. Now some will be but they are usually found in major places like Universities or Mosques, but never at your everyday neighborhood mosque.)then refer to these interpretations by the authorized interpreter when an issue comes up. Most muslims do not own the Quran and the only way the Quran is recited is in arabic. Their prophet is said to have not be able to read or write and was told to recite the quran by the angel of light. If you ever debate a muslim who speaks arabic they will always tell you that the translation from arabic to english wrong 100% of the time. So it is a bit different than the early Catholic Church trying to control their empire with Latin because the followers didn’t understand Latin whereas the followers of the Quran understand arabic. The followers receive their instruction in the language they speak not a language that they did not. They are controlled by the fact that their ultimate authority is their god on all matters. And in those cases, it is left up to the authorized interpreters to determine what their god meant when he said such and such.

Again here is a comparison of Christian faith versus Islamic faith that actually falls flat. You can’t compare the two. When you do and you do so out of ignorance (because you do not know the actual facts) then it is bad for those of us who actually try to fight Islam.

My point here is that we would not come to an argument without the correct facts. And when one side does come to an argument with incorrect facts the other side laughs at them because of the ignorance that is shown and their arguments going forward usually have no credibility.

Look at the religion of global warming, how many times have Freepers dispelled incorrect facts that appear by scientists who have defended global warming. If you are going to come to an argument/debate come with correct facts or your words mean nothing. Thus you lose your credibility in the debate.

I despise Islam because I have spoken with apostates and I have spoken with those who have been subjugated by its hand. I have debated muslims with correct facts. The fact is Islam cannot stand on its own two feet. It will always bring Christianity and Judaism into the equation then misdirect the argument to the ills that have been caused by those religions.Then you are not arguing Islam anymore you are defending Christianity and Judaism. It is a common diversion tactic. However by knowing the facts and not something you heard but something you researched for yourself to be true, then we can go toe to toe with Islam.

Think of it this way, muslims in the Middle East are shown soap operas every day and also inundated by religious shows that indoctrinate them to have them believing that Israeli Jews kill babies so they can the blood of the infant. Your reaction to this statement is exactly their reaction to when you come at them with false information regarding Islam. Everything I ever say about Islam has come from their books not one iota of it comes from heresy. Show Islam for what it really is by using Islam to destroy itself.


60 posted on 05/23/2015 10:27:33 AM PDT by zaxtres
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