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To: unlearner
"Some of their dissection seems fair enough and some not so fair. The material looks like something that could be helpful or hurtful depending on how it is used and who is being counseled. So thanks for the food for thought. I will consider this side of the issue."

I don't think you're in any position to judge what might be "helpful" or not in getting those girls past their abuse at the hands of a greasy 79 year old pervert.

"Calling Gothard an abuser seems like a big stretch, though, based on the materials or random, unsubstantiated allegations."

If you go to recoveringgrace.org, you can find "Charlotte's story." She was one of the many girls who worked for Gothard (interesting that he never married), and she was extremely innocent and naive, as were all the girls who belonged to his cult.

He would pick her up for "Bible study", and eventually progressed to touching her breasts and rubbing his leg against hers. He paid her to buy push-up bras and wear them. Then he began feeling her up. When people became suspicious of all the time they were spending together, Gothard fired her.

Yeah. Abuse is a "big stretch." /S The 34 girls were probably all lying, right?

Keep in mind that Gothard had an earlier ministry, and was forced to step down from that one, too, for abuse allegations. Do you think having to do that twice is just a coincidence?

" Have you ever met him? Or are you basing this on what you read on a website posted by his opponents?"

Why would I need to meet him? His guilt is widely acknowledged, and not just by "his opponents", as you call the girls who were abused by that dried-up, dirty old sleazebag.

The question is why you're so deadset on refusing to believe the truth about him. Are you a member of his cult? Are you a friend or relative of his, or the Duggars?

208 posted on 05/23/2015 5:52:07 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))
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To: CatherineofAragon

“I don’t think you’re in any position to judge what might be ‘helpful; or not in getting those girls past their abuse at the hands of a greasy 79 year old pervert.”

I was commenting on materials which were supposed to speak on what the Bible has to say to those who have gone through sexual abuse. You are assuming I was saying how it might or might not help girls Gothard supposedly abused, but since I obviously did not accept that premise, it should be equally obvious that is not what I was referring to.

“He paid her to buy push-up bras and wear them. Then he began feeling her up. When people became suspicious of all the time they were spending together, Gothard fired her.”

I will admit that the accusation is troubling because it should be easily refuted by someone in his position because he should have been following a policy which all reputable ministers follow of not spending time alone with these girls. If he was never alone with them, then it could not have happened.

I did read a number of articles as you suggested, and it is hard not to think there is some truth to them. Gothard apparently owned up partially in this statement that also denies anything sexual happening: “This emphasis on outward appearance was also manifested by bringing selected young people to serve at the Headquarters and causing others to feel rejected and offended by my favoritism. My actions of holding of hands, hugs, and touching of feet or hair with young ladies crossed the boundaries of discretion and were wrong. They demonstrated a double-standard and violated a trust. Because of the claims about me I do want to state that I have never kissed a girl nor have I touched a girl immorally or with sexual intent.”

For someone who taught such high standards as to sexual purity, I find it inexcusable that he did not abstain from physical contact with these girls. It definitely casts a shadow.

“Are you a friend or relative of his, or the Duggars?”

I have never met the Duggars or watched their show, but I am familiar with who they are and their connection to Gothard.

I have met and talked with Gothard, and have been very impressed with what I have seen and heard from his ministry. I have seen people’s lives totally transformed for the better - leaving immorality, drugs, etc. That however will not excuse any behavior that was sexual to these girls. I hope and pray the truth does come out regardless of whether he is exposed or vindicated.


212 posted on 05/23/2015 7:55:32 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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