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To: unlearner

Would you feel the same about the incidents if it were a gay family it happened in? Illegal immigrants? Inner city blacks? Just because they are conservative Christians doesn’t give them a pass. Have you been repeatedly molested by a family member? Was it no big deal? In the case where a family’s lifestyle requires females to be “submissive,” the males in the family are doubly responsible for protecting them. That one of the girls snuck a note out in a loaned book indicates she did not feel comfortable handling it “within the family.”


116 posted on 05/22/2015 8:28:47 PM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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“Would you feel the same about the incidents if it were a gay family it happened in?”

Apples and oranges. What is a “gay family” exactly? I assume you mean the caregivers of the children are homosexual. It was not the father who committed this assault. A child being raised by homosexuals is sexual abuse of a child regardless of whether molestation, assault, or rape happens. Are you suggesting a homosexual couple is capable of giving the guidance, direction, and correction this father gave?

Or do you mean if the assault were homosexual? Coincidentally, I have a close relative who has had severe, suicidal ideation which is probably tied to his being assaulted by an unrelated teenager when he was a child. I also am dealing with an in-law who was raped by an older teenage cousin who cannot be held to account because of the law. Nothing has been done to bring correction as far as I know. So, in answer to your question, I would want it addressed the same way if possible. Confront it and require counseling. If there is no remorse and change of behavior, then the penalty of the law is what everyone involved needs. Same thing with the Duggar family. Only there was remorse. There was change. And many people on both the left and supposedly right still would like to see this man’s life destroyed. Those who wish such things on someone God has forgiven are bringing judgment on themselves. They will experience the same things in their own families.

“In the case where a family’s lifestyle requires females to be ‘submissive’”

Stop right there. I am familiar with both what the Bible says on this subject and what the Duggar family advocates (even though I have never seen their show).

They and the Bible teach that everyone has to submit to authority. And they and the Bible teach that submitting to authority does not mean doing evil or tolerating evil. Further, nowhere does the Bible have a general command for women and girls to be submissive to men. Children are to obey their parents. Wives are to submit to THEIR OWN husbands.

There are a lot of negative (and Satanic) associations with the term “submit” which come from false beliefs and rebellion against God and His ways. EVERYONE is required to submit to authority, and authority comes from God. Even Christ Himself completely submitted to His Father’s authority. And God has bound Himself to His own word.

This principle is essential to a free society because we are a nation that is supposed to be governed by the rule of law rather than rule by men. Authority is not contradictory to freedom. It is essential to it. Legitimate authority is tyrannical and is not abusive. Solomon used this principle in a custody dispute to determine the true mother of an infant.

But our society has rejected God’s authority as revealed in the Bible. In it place we have set up ethics and morals that suit us. We like rules that are easy to keep, like don’t have sex with toddlers. But we tolerate what God calls abominations and replace His laws with feel-good lies like “consenting adults”. Guess what. Just because people are old enough to understand sex does not mean that it is okay to engage in perversion. A person is not automatically a good person because he or she does not rob banks or molest children.

The idea of submitting being somehow negative, harmful, weak, or foolish is an idea that comes the Devil. The Bible says that rebellion is like the sin of witchcraft.

“That one of the girls snuck a note out in a loaned book indicates she did not feel comfortable handling it ‘within the family.’”

You have a fairly impressive ability to read minds. Perhaps the truth as to whether you are right or wrong about this will come out as the girls involved become old enough to speak out.

Personally, if I found myself siding with Oprah and all the left-wingers who have been trying to shut down the Duggar show, I would have to re-examine my position and question my own judgment.


128 posted on 05/23/2015 12:31:49 AM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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