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2015 Preakness Stakes (LIVE 6:18pm ET on NBC)
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Posted on 05/16/2015 2:55:40 PM PDT by ETL

1./ American Pharoah 3/C L Victor Espinoza 126 Bob Baffert 4/5
2./ Dortmund 3/C L Martin Garcia 126 Bob Baffert 7/2
zayat_sm 3./ Mr Z. 3/C L Corey Nakatani 126 D. Wayne Lukas 20/1
4./ Danzig Moon 3/C L Julien Leparoux 126 Mark Casse 15/1
Tale_Of_Verve 5./ Tale of Verve 3/C L Joel Rosario 126 Dallas Stewart 30/1
6./ Bodhisattva 3/C L Trevor McCarthy 126 Jose Corrales 20/1
7./7 Divining Rod 3/C L Javier Castellano 126 Arnaud Delacour 12/1
8./ Firing Line 3/C L Gary Stevens 126 Simon Callaghan 4/1


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KEYWORDS: 2015preakness; 2015triplecrown; belmontstakes; horseracing; kentuckyderby; preakness; preaknessstakes; triplecrown; workingdogs
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To: ETL
Rain plays a factor in those time differences.

I hope AP can pull it off...he's got the best shot at it since...well...cali chrome!

61 posted on 05/16/2015 7:26:52 PM PDT by lwd
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To: Mears

Do you think the vets effed up?


62 posted on 05/16/2015 7:36:31 PM PDT by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: ETL

This is the same broadcast view always shown.

I never heard that Sec’s groom was called Shorty. Are you talking about his stud groom? His racing groom was Eddie Sweat.


63 posted on 05/16/2015 7:43:11 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: SunkenCiv

No, not the Belmont. His quarters improved in the Derby.

None of his TC runs was on wet track.


64 posted on 05/16/2015 7:45:24 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: ETL

Just a note on a common error. Ruffian only ever equalled 2 TRs, early as a 2yo at short sprints commonly run only by 2yos.

She only set sake records for her other races - which were all female races.


65 posted on 05/16/2015 7:52:08 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: lwd

Yes indeed.

And it was unsealed. That could make a bigger difference.

I am still skeptical of Pharoah, though.


66 posted on 05/16/2015 7:55:03 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: Impy

Yep-—it was all about money.

Cruel.


67 posted on 05/16/2015 9:28:29 PM PDT by Mears (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."Voltaire))
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To: the OlLine Rebel
I never heard that Sec’s groom was called Shorty. Are you talking about his stud groom? His racing groom was Eddie Sweat.

Yes, they called him "Shorty". The first time he saw me come in the barn with my friend who worked for (Secretariat's trainer) Lucien Lauren's son, trainer Roger Laurin, he said to me "son, you walk like an old farmer". I was 17 at the time.

From the NY Times...

“Scanlan fares better with Edward (Shorty) Sweat, Secretariat’s devoted groom, a flashy dresser who liked vodka, danced the boogaloo and fathered four children by three different women. Powerfully built, with massive forearms, Sweat joined the exodus of Southern black men who hired on as grooms because the job paid a halfway-decent wage and beat picking cotton. The son of a poor sharecropper, he was working steadily with horses at 14 and eventually landed at Laurin’s Holly Hill Farm, the ticket that led him to the big time in New York. “

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/books/review/Barich-t.html
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Edward “Eddie” Sweat

Birth: Aug. 29, 1939
Holly Hill
Orangeburg County
South Carolina, USA

Death: Apr. 17, 1998
Elmont
Nassau County
New York, USA

“Born in Holly Hill, South Carolina, Eddie Sweat was one of nine children of an African American sharecropper. Mary Sweat was his morther. Holly Hill was where future U.S. Racing Hall of Fame trainer Lucien Laurin maintained a Thoroughbred horse farm and he offered Sweat a job after he saw the wide-eyed teen frequently peeking at the horses through a fence to the property as well as sometimes skipping school just to watch the horses. In 1957, the then eighteen-year-old Sweat accepted the offer of full-time work as groom for the Laurin stable of racehorses with a small fixed salary plus 1% of the horse’s earnings.”

“There, on April 24, a group primarily of relatives — no one from Secretariat’s inner circle was present — gathered at Rock Hill A.M.E. Church in Vance, S.C., to bid farewell to Edward “Shorty” Sweat.

A son of tenant farmers who picked cotton as a boy, Sweat dedicated his life to horses. He cared for Secretariat, who 25 years ago delivered one of the greatest performances in the history of sport. Completing a sweep of the Triple Crown, Secretariat won the Belmont Stakes by a staggering 31 lengths.

Yet Sweat, perhaps the most essential member of the Secretariat team, died a pauper’s death.

“I’m surprised Bill didn’t do a story for Sports Illustrated called ‘The Case of the Forgotten Groom,’ “ said Jim Gaffney, one of Secretariat’s exercise riders.

“Bill” is William Nack, a writer for Sports Illustrated and author of “Secretariat: The Making of a Champion.” He didn’t write about Sweat’s death, but several years ago he wrote a story for Sports Illustrated about grooms. It was titled, “Nobody Knows Their Names.”

He highlighted this from Sweat:

“Only way that horses win is if you sit there and spend time with ‘em. Show ‘em that you’re tryin’ to help ‘em. Love ‘em. Talk to ‘em. Get to know ‘em. That’s what you gotta do. You love ‘em and they’ll love you, too.

“People might call me crazy, but that’s the way it is. I been on the racetrack 34 years, and I ain’t never gonna give up. I think they’ll take me to my grave with a pitchfork in my hand and a rub rag in my back pocket.”

Coming up empty

Sweat died April 17 of leukemia in a hospital not far from Belmont Park, where Real Quiet will attempt Saturday to become the 12th Triple Crown winner — and third since Secretariat.

Sweat had endured numerous ailments, including a heart attack, open-heart surgery, asthma, leukemia and cancer of the stomach. Health insurance through his wife, Linda, a kindergarten teacher, paid his medical bills. But Sweat, on his own, possessed little.

He lost most of his cherished Secretariat memorabilia in a 1991 fire that gutted the Sweats’ home in Queens. How he died virtually penniless is not clear. Friends, relatives and the two trainers for whom Sweat worked, Lucien and Roger Laurin, offered varying ideas.

“It really doesn’t matter what happened to his money,” said Danny Vogt, a longtime friend. “Whatever happened, Eddie came up empty.”

Burial:
Gerizim United Methodist Church Cemetery
Vance
Orangeburg County
South Carolina, USA

Created by: SPRICENanc...
Record added: Jul 29, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 74160719

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=74160719

68 posted on 05/17/2015 6:08:59 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Ruffian's Complete Race Record

2 Year Old Season, 1974
Date #/Track Cond/Length Split 1 2 3 4 Race Name Jockey Weight W/P/S Comments
5/22 3/Bel fst/5 1/2f 22.1 45 57 1:03 Md Sp Wt(F) Vasquez J 116 Ruffian(15), Suzest, Garden Quad Ridden Out
6/12 8/Bel fst/5 1/2F 22.2 45.1 57 1:03 (F)Fashion-G3 Vasquez J 117 Ruffian(6 3/4), Corpernica, Jan Verzal Ridden Out
7/10 8/Aqu fst/5 1/2F 21.4 44.2 56.2 1:02.4 (F)Astoria-G3 Bracciale V Jr 118 Ruffian(9), Laughin Bridge, Our Dancing Girl Speed to spare
7/27 8/Mth fst/6F 21.3 44.1 - 1:09.0 (F)Sorority-G3 Vasquez J 119 Ruffian(2 1/4), Hot n Nasty, Stream Across Driving
8/23 8/Sar fst/6F :22.1 :44.4 - 1:08.3 (F)Spinaway-G1 Bracciale V Jr 120 Ruffian(12 3/4), Laughing Bridge, Scottish Melody Easily


3 Year Old Season, 1975
Date #/Track Cond/Length Split 1 2 3 4 Race Name Jockey Weight W/P/S Comments
4/14 8/Aqu fst/6f 23.0 45.4 - 1:09.2 (F)Alw 20000 Vasquez J 122 Ruffian(4 3/4), Sir Ivor's Sorrow, Channelette Easily
4/30 8/Aqu fst/7f 22.4 45.0 1:08.4 1:21.1 (F)Comely-G3 Vasquez J 113 Ruffian(7 3/4), Aunt Jin, Point in Time Slow Start, handily
5/10 8/Aqu fst/1m 23.2 45.3 1:09.3 1:34.2 (F)Acorn-G1 Vasquez J 121 Ruffian(8 1/4), Somethingregal, Gallant Trial In hand
5/31 8/Aqu fst/1 1/8m 47.3 1:11.3 1:35.3 1:47.4 (F)Mother Goose-G1 Vasquez J 121 Ruffian(13 1/2), Sweet Old Girl, SunandSnow Easy score
6/21 8/Bel fst/1 1/2m 49.0 1:13.2 2:03.1 2:27.4 (F)C C A Oaks-G1 Bracciale V Jr 121 Ruffian(2 3/4), Equal Change, LtMLngr Confidently Ridden
7/6 8/Bel fst/1 1/4m 44.3 1:08.3 1:35.2 2:02.4 Match Race 350k Vasquez J 121 Foolish Pleasure(126) Broke Down

 

69 posted on 05/17/2015 6:22:37 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: lwd
Rain plays a factor in those time differences.

The difference was nearly 4 seconds. That's a lot. Also, sloppy and muddy are two very different things. Sloppy is loose and actually quite fast. Muddy is thick like cement. Put your foot in, it's hard to get out. I've walked on both and know first hand.

70 posted on 05/17/2015 6:29:32 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL
Eddie "Shorty" Sweat with the late great Secretariat

Edward Eddie Sweat

71 posted on 05/17/2015 6:57:21 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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Belmont Track Records


MAIN TRACK
Distance Horse Weight
Time
Date
5F Kelly Kip 114 :55.75 6/21/1996
5 1/2F Mike's Classic 119 1:02.26 6/20/2004
6F Artax 120 1:07.66 10/16/1999
6 1/2F Super Shape (ARG) 120 1:14.46 10/21/2009
6 1/2F Bear Fan 121 1:14.46 6/5/2004
7F Clearly Now 116 1:19.96 7/5/2014
7 1/2F Commentator 119 1:27.44 9/24/2004
1M Najran 113 1:32.24 5/7/2003
1 1/16M Transparent 119 1:39.22 9/18/2014
1 1/8M Secretariat 124 1:45.40 9/15/1973
1 3/16M Lueders 111 1:56.00 6/24/1982
1 1/4M In Excess (IRE) 119 1:58.33 7/4/1991
1 3/8M Victoriously 118 2:14.72 10/16/1997
1 1/2M Secretariat 126 2:24.00 6/9/1973
1 5/8M Man o' War 126 2:40.80 9/4/1920
         
         
WIDENER TURF COURSE
Distance Horse Weight
Time
Date
6F Keep The Faith (AUS) 120 1:06.82 7/24/2005
7F Officialpermission 112 1:19.88 7/23/2000
1M Elusive Quality 117 1:31.63 7/4/1998
1 1/16M Fortitude 112 1:38.53 9/6/1997
1 1/4M Honey Dear 112 2:03.80 10/10/1962
1 3/8M Influent 120 2:11.06 7/13/1997
1 1/2M Fantastic Light 126 2:24.36 10/27/2001
2M King's General (GB) 112 3:20.40 7/4/1983
         
         
INNER TURF COURSE
Distance Horse Weight
Time
Date
6F Gantry 121 1:06.87 6/23/2011
1 1/16M Roman Envoy 117 1:39.38 5/23/1992
1 1/8M Shakespeare 114 1:45.06 9/11/2005
1 1/4M Paradise Creek 124 1:57.79 6/11/1994
1 3/8M With Approval 118 2:10.26 6/17/1990

 

https://www.nyra.com/belmont/records/


72 posted on 05/17/2015 6:58:55 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL
"Ruffian won her maiden by 15 lengths and
returned to the winner's circle looking as fresh
as if she'd just left the barn."


73 posted on 05/17/2015 7:35:58 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
"Ruffian was undefeated in her first ten races, covering distances from 5.5 furlongs (1.1 km) to 1.5 miles (2.4 km), with an average winning margin of 81⁄3 lengths. She won her maiden race in record time by 15 lengths. She was on the lead at every point of call in every race she ever ran. She set a new stakes record in each of the eight stakes races she won. She also equaled two track records."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruffian_%28horse%29#Career

74 posted on 05/17/2015 7:36:52 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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“As God is my witness, she (Ruffian) may even be better than Secretariat.”—Lucien Laurin, trainer of Secretariat


75 posted on 05/17/2015 8:06:45 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

You proved my point. ;-)


76 posted on 05/17/2015 10:09:09 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Yeah, but don’t forget the incredible ease in which she won her races. Imagine if she had been pushed. I’m sure she would have set a bunch more track records.


77 posted on 05/18/2015 4:27:05 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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