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UK Plans To Do Away With Free Speech... In The Name Of Free Speech
TechDirt ^ | 05/13/2015 | by Mike Masnick

Posted on 05/14/2015 12:04:13 PM PDT by Rusty0604

Last fall,..UK Home Secretary Theresa May had made it clear that if her Conservative Party were re-elected, one of the first orders of business would be a new "Extremist Disruption Orders" plan that would outlaw any speech or events that the government declared "extremist." She wasn't kidding around. Following last week's election in the UK, David Cameron appears to be announcing just such a plan ...

The measures would give the police powers to apply to the high court for an order to limit the “harmful activities” of an extremist individual. The definition of harmful is to include a risk of public disorder, a risk of harassment, alarm or distress or creating a “threat to the functioning of democracy”.

They would include a ban on broadcasting and a requirement to submit to the police in advance any proposed publication on the web and social media or in print. The bill will also contain plans for banning orders for extremist organisations which seek to undermine democracy ...

Oh, and here's the really insane part. David Cameron is claiming that he's doing this in the name of free speech.

“For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone. It’s often meant we have stood neutral between different values. And that’s helped foster a narrative of extremism and grievance."

Here he is, saying that for too long we've been "tolerant" of free expression, and thus we have to ban it,...And he flat out admits that they no longer think "obeying the law" should keep you out of trouble.

As Glenn Greenwald rightly notes, once again it appears that the biggest threat to free speech is not from terrorism, but from those claiming to fight terrorism.

(Excerpt) Read more at techdirt.com ...


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To: Rusty0604
per the headline, it sounds like Butch (Janet) Reno's excuse for burning down the Christian Branch Dividian compound in Waco TX; “We had to kill the children in order to save them”. No body went to jail over that government mass murder except a few Christians in the compound that some how survived the government's attack.
21 posted on 05/14/2015 1:08:41 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: Rusty0604

Can’t be saying negative things about mussies there ...


22 posted on 05/14/2015 1:35:39 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am ...)
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To: Rusty0604

Now they’ll know what its like on an american college campus.


23 posted on 05/14/2015 1:53:14 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: Blood of Tyrants
And since we're on the subject, and their appears to be much ignorance of the history of how we got here, let me repeat the most important part of the 1689 Bill of Rights:

And whereas the said late King James the Second having abdicated the government and the throne being thereby vacant, his Highness the prince of Orange (whom it hath pleased Almighty God to make the glorious instrument of delivering this kingdom from popery and arbitrary power) did (by the advice of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal and divers principal persons of the Commons) cause letters to be written to the Lords Spiritual and Temporal being Protestants, and other letters to the several counties, cities, universities, boroughs and cinque ports, for the choosing of such persons to represent them as were of right to be sent to Parliament, to meet and sit at Westminster upon the two and twentieth day of January in this year one thousand six hundred eighty and eight [old style date], in order to such an establishment as that their religion, laws and liberties might not again be in danger of being subverted, upon which letters elections having been accordingly made;

And thereupon the said Lords Spiritual and Temporal and Commons, pursuant to their respective letters and elections, being now assembled in a full and free representative of this nation, taking into their most serious consideration the best means for attaining the ends aforesaid, do in the first place (as their ancestors in like case have usually done) for the vindicating and asserting their ancient rights and liberties declare

That the pretended power of suspending the laws or the execution of laws by regal authority without consent of Parliament is illegal;[Note: This is the principle that Mr. Soetoro is most guilty of violating - it's been considered a capital offense for a long time in Anglo-Saxon society]

That the pretended power of dispensing with laws or the execution of laws by regal authority, as it hath been assumed and exercised of late, is illegal;

[Ditto!] That the commission for erecting the late Court of Commissioners for Ecclesiastical Causes, and all other commissions and courts of like nature, are illegal and pernicious;

That levying money for or to the use of the Crown by pretence of prerogative, without grant of Parliament, for longer time, or in other manner than the same is or shall be granted, is illegal; [Thus begins "no taxation without representation"]

That it is the right of the subjects to petition the king, and all commitments and prosecutions for such petitioning are illegal; [This survives in our Constitution]

That the raising or keeping a standing army within the kingdom in time of peace, unless it be with consent of Parliament, is against law;

That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law; [As mentioned previously, the first draft of the Second Amendment]

That election of members of Parliament ought to be free;

That the freedom of speech and debates or proceedings in Parliament ought not to be impeached or questioned in any court or place out of Parliament; [The first draft of the First Amendment; see Milton's Aeropagitica for the basis of this, written in 1644]

That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted; [This survives almost intact as the Eighth Amendment]

That jurors ought to be duly impanelled and returned, and jurors which pass upon men in trials for high treason ought to be freeholders;

That all grants and promises of fines and forfeitures of particular persons before conviction are illegal and void;

And that for redress of all grievances, and for the amending, strengthening and preserving of the laws, Parliaments ought to be held frequently.

The Bill of Rights and the Acts of Toleration are central to the establishment of the United States. By that I mean the ENGLISH Bill of Rights.

It was only in America, far from the history of the fraudulent monarchy, that the cord could finally be cut and the People would be Sovereign, not just the latest in a line of psychopaths claiming "divine right" to rule over everyone else.

24 posted on 05/14/2015 2:00:50 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: SkyDancer

Paul Weston arrested for quoting Winston Churchill’s words on Islam

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614834/Arrested-quoting-Winston-Churchill-European-election-candidate-accused-religious-racial-harassment-repeats-wartime-prime-ministers-words-Islam-campaign-speech.html


25 posted on 05/14/2015 2:02:50 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: drypowder

Waco and Ruby Ridge were horrid events. Everyone that loves liberty should remember them.


26 posted on 05/14/2015 2:51:40 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: lowbridge

Thanks for posting! Historical quotes are not allowed anymore, because the liberals are changing history. Just like Obama always saying that Islam had a big part of our country’s history...the only thing I’ve found is that they wanted to bribe this new country to pay up or have our ships pirated.


27 posted on 05/14/2015 2:57:54 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

I sure hope it means they’ll lock up Anjem Choudary for spouting his hate from UK street corners....and Hannity - please don’t give him a soap box any longer.


28 posted on 05/14/2015 3:17:14 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Regulator

Thank you for that.

People came here for many reasons, one of which was freedom of (not from) religion. It means one can believe and worship the way they want without fear of violence or punishment. It does not mean a right to not be offended seeing any religion or a different religion. (atheists and muslims) A lot of immigrants from Islamic countries cannot understand that, because they were raised where the religion is the government, just as England and Europe once were.

My opinion is that if they are not made to understand that their religion will not become our government and that their religion is not special, and that no violence will change that, they should go back to where they are more comfortable and will not be offended.


29 posted on 05/14/2015 3:31:40 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Thank You Rush

Guessed I missed something... what did Hannity do?


30 posted on 05/14/2015 3:32:47 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

Exactly.


31 posted on 05/14/2015 3:33:13 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Rusty0604
Clinton's unprosecuted crimes clearly paved the way for the criminal in the WH today
32 posted on 05/14/2015 3:40:38 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: Rusty0604

Elections don’ t seem to matter anywhere in the world. O Lord Come!


33 posted on 05/14/2015 3:58:22 PM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Wrong, USA and Canada’s rights originated from that in the UK.


34 posted on 05/14/2015 5:52:05 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

Where are the privately owned guns in Great Britain? Why can you be prosecuted for speaking out against homosexuality in Canada?


35 posted on 05/14/2015 6:15:14 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (A free society canÂ’t let the parameters of its speech be set by murderous extremists.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Still have the same rights, people have allowed them to be taken away.


36 posted on 05/14/2015 6:27:13 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

If you can’t exercise a right, you don’t have it.


37 posted on 05/14/2015 6:28:56 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (A free society canÂ’t let the parameters of its speech be set by murderous extremists.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I don’t agree fully. People need to be educated on their rights. A lot of people just don’t know. Enough start caring they can get them back.


38 posted on 05/14/2015 6:39:15 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: moose07

Continuing chapter in the “Why is it getting warm and what are we doing in this handbasket?” series...


39 posted on 05/14/2015 9:13:19 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: Rusty0604

“”Guessed I missed something... what did Hannity do?””

Hannity gives that creep air time to spread his crap on his show. We don’t need to hear it.


40 posted on 05/15/2015 7:21:32 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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