Posted on 04/25/2015 1:53:58 PM PDT by 867V309
>>You anti-Apple people come into these threads and try to tells us how bad the hardware and OS and the company is<<
Tell me where I said it was “bad” in any of my posts.
I just said it was tinkering with already developed innovations of others. They are the best “catch up” company ever.
Those are the clothes of which the emperor has none.
And their marketing is par excellance — they have an army of fanboys that will buy any gadget stamped with apple.
And all apple HAS is bells and whistles.
You don't grow to selling BILLIONS of devices by just selling to the same small "army of fanboys" over and over, Freedumb2003. Apple now has over 35% of the market for smartphones in South Korea, Samsung's and LG's home market. Apple has over 27% of the smartphone market in CHINA. . . are you claiming those buyers were part of the "army of fanboys", if so, you ARE living in a delusionary Universe occupied by your fellow anti-Apple haters. You simply cannot see what is before your face. YOU are the true cultist here. You are the one who has been convinced to parade down the street with no clothes on. We have facts to back up our statements; you have only your inflated ego backing you. That's the sign of that Emperor.
Many people are not authority. It is a non-sequitur. Just because "many people buy something does not mean it is innovative." That is a Does not follow" Not connected. Not sequential. Many people are not ever an authority. Bill Gates uses one. That's an appeal to an authority.
Had you said "Every one believes it, therefor it is true." That would be appeal to authority of the majority a fallacy. See the difference?
As I said — apple is an excellent tinkerer as of late.
I never said they weren’t.
No, your schtick is damning Apple with very faint praise, "excellent tinkerers" my rear end.
>>No, your schtick is damning Apple with very faint praise, “excellent tinkerers” my rear end.<<
Res ipsa loquitur, baby.
If it makes you feel better, I hate the new Android OS “upgrade” (terrible name:Lollipop) almost as much as I despise Windows 8.x.
See, I am an equal opportunity curmudgeon.
OK. . . good. Curmudgeon is great. Try to be an ACCURATE and truthful curmudgeon, that's all I ask, Freedumb2003.
>>Try to be an ACCURATE and truthful curmudgeon, that’s all I ask, Freedumb2003.<<
i have been pretty accurate. In he long view, ALL logical fallacies are non sequiteuers — “it does not follow that.”
I made a good argument that “large bodies of people purchasing” is an appeal to authority — the authority of the masses. Your dismissal of that out of hand does not make your analysis correct — it just makes it yours.
But what interests me is that so much energy was expended on a side road, to say “well if FD didn’t use the correct logical fallacy, the rest of his thesis must also be wrong” — you are hoisted on your own logical fallacy as “it does not follow that.”
My thesis stands — since the iPhone (not iPad as incorrectly posted but I grant stands along the iPhone as one of the last innovations of Apple), apple is a “johnny come lately — copying and slightly improving innovations made by others.
They are really good tinkerers. Call it damning with faint praise if you wish, but that is the truth of the matter. The i-6 series is a slightly prettier version of the Galaxy 5 (and Android followed suit by making a prettier version of the i-6), the iWatch is a somewhat better version of the old Android watch etc. etc.
They tinker, the other guys tinker — nothing innovative, just — cute.
I tutored in philosophy and logic in college, so don't try to lecture me about "all logical fallacies are non-sequiturs." What you were mistaking for an Appeal to Authority is the Appeal to Popularity. Not the same. It was once the popular opinion that the Earth was flat. That did not make it true. An Appeal to Authority is "But Columbus says the Earth is Round!" but Columbus never circumnavigate the globe. He was actually mistaken because he never got to the Orient, the East, which is what he claimed he could do by sailing West. So Appealing to the Authority of Columbus as an Authority, which indeed he was as a navigator, was a fallacy, because, in this case, he truly was not, because he really did not know.
These types of fallacies are all basically irrelevancies.
Star Traveler may have been partaking of the Band Wagon Fallacy. . . that just because a lot of people are joining in, and liking it, therefore it is true and you should believe it, too. It may or may not be true, but it is still a logical fallacy.
I don't think you would know what innovative was if it bit you on the ass.
And you said "iPod" not "iPad.
>>This thread shouldbe fun.<<
It WAS fun — I really like my Apple buddies.
>>tutored in philosophy and logic in college, so don’t try to lecture me about “all logical fallacies are non-sequiturs.” What you were mistaking for an Appeal to Authority is the Appeal to Popularity.<<
So... you appeal to YOURSELF as authority?
>>These types of fallacies are all basically irrelevancies.<<
Agreed. Also irrelevant to my thesis (which you conveniently avoid).
>>Star Traveler may have been partaking of the Band Wagon Fallacy. . . that just because a lot of people are joining in, and liking it, therefore it is true and you should believe it, too. It may or may not be true, but it is still a logical fallacy.<<
Agreed.
>>I don’t think you would know what innovative was if it bit you on the ass.<<
By your own definition, that statement is a non sequitier.
>>And you said “iPod” not “iPad.<<
The thread is long and the night is late. Both iPod and iPad were good innovations, as was the iPhone.
“All right, Mr. DeMille, I’m ready for my close-up,” said Norma Desmond.
You guys are a riot. Thanks, both, for the much-needed chuckles at the end of a long night. Cheers. :-)
Aha! A glimmer of knowledge.
I am an authority when I know what I am talking about. An authority IS an authority when he is right. It is only when the authority is WRONG that it is a fallacy, FD2003. Read what I wrote in explanation. So again, you are wrong. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
By your own definition, that statement is a non sequitier.
That was not a non sequitur. . . I just might have been incorrect. Apparently, you seem to have identified some.
Thank you! Your quote sent me off into a most pleasant tangential internet excursion into not just Sunset Boulevard but articles about Swanson and Holden and a few others, from which I have just returned. Time for bed, but again, thank you.
A key component of the Apple Watch made by one of two suppliers was found to be defective, prompting Apple Inc. to limit the availability of the highly anticipated new product, according to people familiar with the matter.
The part involved is the so-called taptic engine,
You don’t grow to selling BILLIONS of devices by just selling to the same small “army of fanboys” over and over, Freedumb2003. Apple now has over 35% of the market for smartphones in South Korea, Samsung’s and LG’s home market. Apple has over 27% of the smartphone market in CHINA. . .
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“Status Symbol” markets ,,, China also buys huge numbers of Land Rovers and Rolls Royces ... image is EVERYTHING there... and the huge price premiums are a part of the marketing ,,, you make something that’s 10% better than brand X but you charge 2X for it so the weakminded will self reinforce the idea that it IS worth it because it is so much better (although they cannot say how it is better) ... supporting that is the fact that AAPL refuses to ever make a product for the masses ,,, all their products are priced on the high end.
We’d kinda gathered that.
Your logic fails on a false equivalence. You claim that Apple is charging 2x the competition for something that is only 10% better than the competition. . . but the competition is often equally priced or even more expensive. For example, Samsung's top of the line unlocked, non-contract smartphones are priced about $50 MSRP more than Apple's Top Tier iPhone MSRP. On contract, they are initially $249 to Apple's $199. Sorry, those are facts. Apple's desktop and notebook computers compare competitively with other top tier Windows PC desktop and notebook computers with similar lightness, features, and screen resolutions. Often the Macs are the lesser expensive offering.
No, Apple does not ever make a computer for the bottom of the barrel competition. But I disagree with you about not making a product for the masses. The masses can get brand new iPhones for $1 or even free on contract. It just will not be the latest model.
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