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OK, I say this cop did the wrong thing. He knew the suspect had just killed two people with a GUN and he still didn't shoot him as the suspect was running toward him with his hand in his pocket. What say you people?

Video of the incident at the link.

1 posted on 04/18/2015 5:37:57 PM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: Ronald_Magnus

I agree with you.


2 posted on 04/18/2015 5:43:58 PM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked
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To: Ronald_Magnus

Two tours in Iraq as a Marine, combat, and a Purple Heart.

It looks like he is a brave cop, and evidently made the right decision.


3 posted on 04/18/2015 5:44:07 PM PDT by ansel12 (libertarian social liberalism makes conservative small limited government & low taxes impossible.)
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He’s lucky to be alive. He could have been a politically correct dead man.


4 posted on 04/18/2015 5:44:56 PM PDT by conservativegranny
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Folks who aren’t willing to pull the trigger when appropriate shouldn’t carry a gun. That boy needs to find another line of work.


5 posted on 04/18/2015 5:45:07 PM PDT by PAR35
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There goes another $50,000/year to imprison this guy for the rest of his life.

He could have saved the tax payers sooooo much money!


6 posted on 04/18/2015 5:45:39 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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I just saw the video on TV.
I agree with you.
He saved a life by not shooting, but backing up with an assailant coming at you (with the suspect's hand in his pocket at one point) was extremely dangerous. While backing up, what if the officer stepped in a pothole and tripped? What if the assailant had a gun in his pocket?
I appreciate his desire to not to take a life -- but the officer seemed to expose himself to a high level of danger.
7 posted on 04/18/2015 5:48:11 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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I say he retreated for far too long.


8 posted on 04/18/2015 5:50:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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I’m sure it wont be long before the narrative is” “Well, if the suspect had been black instead of white,.....”


10 posted on 04/18/2015 5:51:28 PM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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He’s lucky. If you wait till you see the gun, you will most likely see what comes out of it, too....


13 posted on 04/18/2015 5:55:31 PM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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He was focused and ready, and relied on his skills to maintain the advantage should the situation have further deteriorated.

I would suggest that his combat experience was a factor. Every suspicious move is not an aggressive move.

I’m disappointed in some of the comments.

I thought we wanted our police to show judgement, courage, and the ability to discern threats...


15 posted on 04/18/2015 5:59:44 PM PDT by BlueNgold (Have we crossed the line from Govt. in righteous fear of the People - to a People in fear of Govt??)
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Sheesh, dogs have more of a right to live than the perp.


18 posted on 04/18/2015 6:09:48 PM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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OK, I say this cop did the wrong thing.

I say it's the cop's call because it's his life. And in this case, he has serious combat experience and knows when things click and when they don't add up. To him, something didn't quite add up to the level of pulling the trigger. He literally saw things lesser experienced people would miss, and those things told him the guy was not the threat he ws pretending to be. And he was right - and it wasn't luck.

IMHO, this is the level of care that must be required of the police, precisely because they are not military, and we are not the enemy. And if it can't be achieved under current conditions, then we must change the conditions so that it can be achieved. The alternative is what we're seeing all around us - including machine gun mounted APCs. History is extremely consistent in showing where that leads.

20 posted on 04/18/2015 6:15:13 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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Reminds me of a similar incident years ago.

https://youtu.be/k8-ycSkoYfc


21 posted on 04/18/2015 6:15:52 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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Bad idea to publically release much less broadcast this encounter.

It could inadvertently become the “gold standard” for how a street officer is supposed to apply deadly force.

The defense lawyers and political activists are going to have a field day with this police body camera material. Not to mention all the absurd restrictions the district attorneys, police department legal advisors and trainers are going to think up based on these recordings.


25 posted on 04/18/2015 6:18:18 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (Determined effort today forges tomorrow)
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The guy is a Marine with a Purple Heart. If trust his judgement based on that.


29 posted on 04/18/2015 6:28:08 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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If the criminal had already killed 2 others with a HANDGUN, and had his hands in his pocket, while running at the cop, I would have shot, had I been the cop.


30 posted on 04/18/2015 6:38:11 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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That’s not the whole story.

Dispatch advised the cop the suspect might be wanting the cops to kill him. The officer trained his eye on the suspect’s right hand which was in his pocket. The cop was ready to open fire and within a just 10’ or so from the suspect.

The cop showed much restraint here.

I’m not going to fault him and even his Chief praised the officers actions.


41 posted on 04/18/2015 7:06:02 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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Dispatch advised the cop the suspect might be wanting the cops to kill him.

In addition, the suspect yelled multiple times, “Shoot me”.

I think the officer figured out what was likely happening, and his boss agreed and even did the interview with the officer.


46 posted on 04/18/2015 7:16:18 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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I agree. the cop is very lucky that he’s alive right now.


50 posted on 04/18/2015 7:27:02 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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textbook would say to shoot the suspect.

Textbook doesn’t cover every single potential case. Not all cops are equal or identical.

Cop is lucky. Suspect/criminal is very lucky.

In this case it may be right. If he would have shot him, in this specific case, I’d have said he was right, too.


53 posted on 04/18/2015 7:30:37 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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